The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > Hogan's Alley > Handguns: General Handgun Forum

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old May 29, 2021, 07:58 AM   #26
AK103K
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 1, 2001
Posts: 10,223
Quote:
Originally Posted by ATN082268 View Post
The purpose of my backup gun is in case something happens to my primary gun, broke, lost, out of ammo, etc and I need something reliable for a situation. My carry gun is a Glock 19x and I like the around 4 o'clock position. I don't wear shorts or swim trunks often.
If you're carrying a 19, then a 26 would be the logical choice. The same basic gun that has realistic sights, shoots very much like the bigger gun, and at most the same distances, and can use the larger mags of your primary gun.

I carry a 17 and that's what Ive been using as a back up/second gun for a number of years now. Didnt always think that way, until I realized I could just as easily and comfortably carry the 26 in the same places I normally carried smaller guns that didn't offer the power, shootability, and versatility.

The two places I carry a second gun, are on the ankle and in a Smart Carry.

The ankle holster is only a problem if you don't take the time to get the right holster, and spend some time carrying that way and shooting from it. Like anything else, you get out of it what you put into it in practice. And with a little practice, you can easily, and fairly quickly, draw from seated, kneeling, and standing.

If the first holster isn't comfortable, don't give up. It probably wont be, and there are a lot of holsters to try if it isn't. For me, Ive found only one that's comfortable for 16+ hour wear, and that's the Desantis "Leather Ankle Holster". It has a nice padded back and is very comfortable, once you get used to wearing it.

GALCO Ankle Glove is a distant second. Its OK, but I don't find it near as comfortable as the Desantis.

Things like the old Unkle Mikes ankle holsters, and some of the others that are similar, will make you crazy in under an hour, especially if your active.

The Smart Carry is a GREAT holster, and one Ill never be without again. Youll hear a lot of people bad mouth them, but Id bet they never wore/used one, and don't let the naysaying dissuade you from one. Like anything else, the only way to know, is get one and see how it works for you.

My first SC was for my Seecamp, as I was under the impression the gun had to be "small". Didnt take long to figure out, it was the wrong impression.

Once I figured out the 26 worked just as well, that was the last time I actually carried one of the Seecamps.

One other thing I figured out right quick was, its a lot quicker and easier to get to a gun in a Smart Carry, than it is to one in your pocket, and especially when sitting. The gun sits just below your belt buckle and all you need do, is suck your gut in a little, and slip a couple of fingers in behind it and you have the gun.

I don't normally wear swim trunks either, but its about the only holster I know, that will allow you to wear a "realistic" gun in a pair, unless you're wearing a Speedo. A pair of shorts or sweats, with no shirt, no belt, is no problem at all.
AK103K is offline  
Old May 29, 2021, 10:54 AM   #27
FAS1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 9, 2010
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 531
I always carry my back up gun around the house. I pocket carry a P3AT and when I go out it still stays in my pocket and I add my G26/CBST.

I do also use it as a primary weapon when needed and with a SmartCarry when walking in the evening through the neighborhood with my wife.
__________________
Glenn
FAS1 SAFE
FAS1 is online now  
Old May 29, 2021, 12:38 PM   #28
Don Fischer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 2, 2017
Posts: 1,852
Not sure I get the idea of a backup gun at all. I carry for protection and even though I've pulled a gun one time, I'd not have been able to get to an ankle gun and probably not a pocket gun! I feel like a lot of people outfit themselves with a firearm as though they were going to war, your really not. I avoid places where I think I might have a need for a gun, simply don't go there! I doubt I'd ever need a gun most the places I go and the one time I pulled it out I was at home. Of course if you simply like to carry around a lot of guns, go for it! If your in a sniper situation and try to respond with your handgun, good chance your gonna get yourself shot. It reach's a point, and not that far, that the guy with a handgun is simply gonna lose and should be looking for the door! The only reason I carry all the time is because if for some reason I actually needed it in places I'd go, it wouldn't be much use to me home on the headboard of the bed, well, and because I can!

One of the guns I'd looked at for a carry gun was that little LCP Smith but the handle was simply to small for my hand. Haven't shot one but my son say's they recoil pretty hard. Not to surprising as that is one little gun.

If I was going to carry a backup in an ankle holster, I think I'd just carry my 1917 Savage in 32 ACP. Very light gun and low recoil. I don't believe you need an atomic bomb for a back up. Come to think of it. Years ago I had a little Ace semi auto handgun. Looked just like a 1911 but very small and light and it was a 22 RF. Wouldn't mind having that gun in 32 ACP for a carry gun! Bad mouth the 32 ACP but let me know when your ready to take one in the chest so you can prove it's useless!
Don Fischer is offline  
Old May 29, 2021, 01:00 PM   #29
CDW4ME
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 18, 2009
Posts: 1,272
Quote:
Originally Posted by jetinteriorguy View Post
One thing I don’t get, why would you carry a gun of a different caliber for a BUG? I carry a compact 9mm and if I wanted a backup it would be an LCR in 9mm. This way I could strip ammo from the mag on the disabled gun and reload the revolver if I absolutely needed it.
Your idea seems reasonable, ...
PM9 in my weak hand front pocket and a Glock 19 IWB
PM40 in my weak hand front pocket and a Glock 23 IWB

Breaks down with 357 Sig and 10mm.
If I carry my Glock 35 with 357 Sig barrel, I don't have a pocket size 357 Sig.
If I carry my Glock 20SF, I don't have a pocket size 10mm and wouldn't attempt to shoot it one hand weak hand if I did.
__________________
Strive to carry the handgun you would want anywhere, everywhere; forget that good area bullcrap.
"Wouldn't want to / Nobody volunteer to" get shot by _____ is not indicative of quickly incapacitating.
CDW4ME is offline  
Old May 29, 2021, 08:46 PM   #30
MJ45
Member
 
Join Date: August 15, 2011
Location: Midwest
Posts: 51
a lot of people bad mouthing ankle carry. i use an ankle holster with a BG380. it's a back up gun, not main carry. another note, ankle carry is very easy to get while sitting in your car, a big plus.
MJ45 is offline  
Old May 29, 2021, 11:42 PM   #31
kenny53
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 30, 2015
Location: My back yard
Posts: 864
Back ups I like are Ruger LCP, Ruger LCP 22 magnum.
kenny53 is offline  
Old May 30, 2021, 02:42 AM   #32
Carl the Floor Walker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 3, 2017
Posts: 1,323
Quote:
Originally Posted by MJ45 View Post
a lot of people bad mouthing ankle carry. i use an ankle holster with a BG380. it's a back up gun, not main carry. another note, ankle carry is very easy to get while sitting in your car, a big plus.
And usually carried by LEO's. Glad I do not live in a area where so much firepower is needed as posted by some. A backup is not practical for my EDC. I have never carried a backup and see no reason to. And a weight strapped around one leg all day, every day is not going to happen. Most especially some of the larger guns as posted here. Repetitive use injuries and imbalance issues are real. Count how many steps you take in a average day and they add up. Now multiply that by a month etc. A ankle holster? Not practical for myself any more than buying a shoe that weighs double, or more, than weight of my other shoe. When you buy shoes on the internet, they will list the weight of the shoe. How funny it would be to see a shoe that advertises something like left shoe 10oz, Right shoe 40oz. Which leads into the fact that maybe you need a built up shoe for the side you carry. Look at the bottom of any shoe and you can see (in most cases where a imbalance issue occurs) one shoe wearing different from the other. That is a imbalance just like tires on a vehicle
If for some crazy reason, I actually needed to carry a backup in a ankle holster, I would go ahead and carry one on each leg. By the way, ankle weights are not made for walking. They are made to do exercises for building up muscle, usually for healing a injury and used just like any other weight. Think for a minute of what that extra weight will affect. Calf mucles, thigh muscles etc. All becoming tight. And those tight muscles will pull on different areas of the body from foot to neck.
I get a kick out of some of the things on the internet. Just for the heck of it, I looked up to see if they made a ankle holster for a Glock 19. And sure enough they do. I did get a good chuckle and the thought of how the guy that carries one all day, walks by the end of a week. Practical EDC? Different strokes for different folks.

Some common injuries you might be interested in to prevent Bone Spurs,Plantar Fasciitis, Policeman's heel, hip injuries, etc.

https://orthoinfo.aaos.org/en/diseas...and-bone-spurs

Last edited by Carl the Floor Walker; May 30, 2021 at 04:05 AM.
Carl the Floor Walker is offline  
Old May 30, 2021, 08:07 AM   #33
AK103K
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 1, 2001
Posts: 10,223
It all about choice and what works for you. I think a lot of people don't give a lot of things enough time, or put in the effort to actually figure out what works and what doesn't, and they expect instant gratification and if they don't get it, it cant possibly work. For them, and if not them, then no one else either. And that goes for any holster, not just ankle holsters.

Another big issue is the person themselves. We all have our issues, for whatever reason, and some things just wont work, because "we" are out of the "norm". Thats in no way the holsters fault.

And then there's always "want" vs "cant". Mentality is also a big part of all this.


If Id based ankle carry on that first Unkle Mikes holster I bought back in the 80's, Id have never carried a gun on my ankle again. Miserable POS that they are, they arent the only ones. Luckily.

Ankle carry isn't something you're just going to throw the holster on and go about your business like nothing ever happened. Its going to be different, and likely, very different, until you get used to it. Its going to take time and effort to figure out, just like anything else. Its no different than any other holster that tends to interact with your body, beyond OWB carry with proper gear.

Find the right holster, spend a little time with it, and you can wear it all day in comfort, without thought. Get the wrong holster, and Ill guarantee you, you'll know its there every miserable second.


As far as carrying a back up at all, it can have other various reasons for doing so beyond just "arming up".

A long trip in the car and you carry your primary where you cant quickly and easily access it while seated and belted it. I prefer to have the gun(s) on me, and not worry about leaving it in the car, or unnecessarily handling it when I go to get out.

Another reason is as a hand off gun to someone with you that doesn't want to bother carrying theirs all the time, which seems to be a pretty common thing with a lot of people once the "cool" aspect of carrying a gun wears off and the reality as to what doing it all the time really is sets in.

I have a couple of buddies who are like this. They only carry when they think its needed, which Ive never understood, but hey, thats their choice. They really arent the ones that make the choice about when you might need it, but, whatever.

Ive carried two in the past knowing at some point in the day Im going to have to take off my primary because of dress or other requirements and I wont be able to fiddle or change to adjust. One comes off and goes in a lock box, and all I need do, is tighten my belt a little.

And sometimes we just feel more comfortable having that second gun, for whatever reason. Or no reason necessary at all.

If you don't want to do it, by all means don't. Do whats most comfortable for you, but do it every day too.

If you think you want to carry a second gun, even if its just on occasion, take the time and effort to figure out what will work best for you, ahead of time, and you'll be all set.

If you don't do that, its likely not going to work out well, and you're likely going to be miserable and constantly fiddleing with things because of it.
AK103K is offline  
Old May 30, 2021, 01:28 PM   #34
CDW4ME
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 18, 2009
Posts: 1,272
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the Floor Walker View Post
Glad I do not live in a area where so much firepower is needed as posted by some.
I live in an "excellent area".
Been carrying 25+ years and never "needed" a single bullet for SD so carry is not based on perceived "need" / "anticipated" threat.
What I would prefer in hand to defend myself is not reduced because I'm standing in a nice spot.

Whether at Walmart (area of greater anticipated threat ) or walking the dogs, my carry is the same.

"Excellent area" needs pics:
I can walk to here:


I can also walk to here:


What I'm carrying now and in the surf fishing pic
Glock 20SF along with PM9 for weak hand front pocket.


I have no intention of "needing" any of that, but "just in case" I do, hard to go wrong with 16 rounds 10mm.
Attached Images
File Type: jpeg FLsummer6.jpeg (707.7 KB, 173 views)
File Type: jpg FLcarry8.jpg (1,000.5 KB, 186 views)
File Type: jpg EDC3.jpg (738.3 KB, 174 views)
__________________
Strive to carry the handgun you would want anywhere, everywhere; forget that good area bullcrap.
"Wouldn't want to / Nobody volunteer to" get shot by _____ is not indicative of quickly incapacitating.
CDW4ME is offline  
Old May 30, 2021, 06:34 PM   #35
Don Fischer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 2, 2017
Posts: 1,852
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the Floor Walker View Post
And usually carried by LEO's. Glad I do not live in a area where so much firepower is needed as posted by some. A backup is not practical for my EDC. I have never carried a backup and see no reason to. And a weight strapped around one leg all day, every day is not going to happen. Most especially some of the larger guns as posted here. Repetitive use injuries and imbalance issues are real. Count how many steps you take in a average day and they add up. Now multiply that by a month etc. A ankle holster? Not practical for myself any more than buying a shoe that weighs double, or more, than weight of my other shoe. When you buy shoes on the internet, they will list the weight of the shoe. How funny it would be to see a shoe that advertises something like left shoe 10oz, Right shoe 40oz. Which leads into the fact that maybe you need a built up shoe for the side you carry. Look at the bottom of any shoe and you can see (in most cases where a imbalance issue occurs) one shoe wearing different from the other. That is a imbalance just like tires on a vehicle
If for some crazy reason, I actually needed to carry a backup in a ankle holster, I would go ahead and carry one on each leg. By the way, ankle weights are not made for walking. They are made to do exercises for building up muscle, usually for healing a injury and used just like any other weight. Think for a minute of what that extra weight will affect. Calf mucles, thigh muscles etc. All becoming tight. And those tight muscles will pull on different areas of the body from foot to neck.
I get a kick out of some of the things on the internet. Just for the heck of it, I looked up to see if they made a ankle holster for a Glock 19. And sure enough they do. I did get a good chuckle and the thought of how the guy that carries one all day, walks by the end of a week. Practical EDC? Different strokes for different folks.

Some common injuries you might be interested in to prevent Bone Spurs,Plantar Fasciitis, Policeman's heel, hip injuries, etc.

https://orthoinfo.aaos.org/en/diseas...and-bone-spurs
I can see LE carrying a back up weapon. Their job sends them into the fight! But the best self defense I can think of is escape and evade. In that case if I can get out with taking out the gun, great! The only time I ever pulled a gun was here at home. Little trouble with a local drug addict. Soon as I pulled the gun he stopped advancing. Had a few more words to say and left. If I was carrying my P-89 with it's 15 round magazine I can't imagine having to go for a back up gun. Even if I did, I could reload my P-89 quicker than I could get a gun from an ankle holster. I'm 75 and I just don't bend over that well anymore! Then again if your gonna carry a back up, why not carry two or even three?

I spent 30 yrs driving OTR trucks and have been into every hell hole in the US many times. I always went in armed and never one time had to pull out a gun. Simple awareness of where your at and what's going on around you. Bear in mind you retaliate with a weapon of your own the one getting shot could be you! always avoid the gun fight if you can.
Don Fischer is offline  
Old May 31, 2021, 07:00 PM   #36
Moonglum
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 18, 2015
Posts: 404
The only time I've ever considered a backup gun was in the winter when I was wearing a heavy coat. I carried a smaller gun in my pocket so I didn't have to fight my way through my parka to get to my primary.

I just can't conceive of a likely scenario in which I would need a BUG. A BUG takes up space that could be better used for things I'm actually likely to need such as OC.
__________________
You ain't even my REAL dad
Moonglum is offline  
Old May 31, 2021, 07:17 PM   #37
Carl the Floor Walker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 3, 2017
Posts: 1,323
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonglum View Post
The only time I've ever considered a backup gun was in the winter when I was wearing a heavy coat. I carried a smaller gun in my pocket so I didn't have to fight my way through my parka to get to my primary.

I just can't conceive of a likely scenario in which I would need a BUG. A BUG takes up space that could be better used for things I'm actually likely to need such as OC.
Funny you mention that. I was watching a movie recently and the main character was walking on a cold day with his hand in his coat pocket. A guy came out from behind a building and put a gun to the guy. Out of know where the main character pulled his gun out of his coat pocket so fast and shot the bad guy before he knew what happened. Heck, I had to replay it a couple of times.
Many times when dark, I will walk to my car with my Pico in the palm of my hand. No one can see it. And a gun in the hand can be mighty quick.
Carl the Floor Walker is offline  
Old May 31, 2021, 07:24 PM   #38
jag1954
Member
 
Join Date: December 29, 2020
Posts: 17
I don't carry a back up, but if I were to I'd go with the S&W 642. I switch mine out with my Hellcat as my EDC. Lightweight, will pack a punch (rated for .38spl +P - which I shot today at the local gun club) and easy to conceal.
jag1954 is offline  
Old May 31, 2021, 09:39 PM   #39
ATN082268
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 2, 2013
Posts: 937
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the Floor Walker View Post
Funny you mention that. I was watching a movie recently and the main character was walking on a cold day with his hand in his coat pocket. A guy came out from behind a building and put a gun to the guy. Out of know where the main character pulled his gun out of his coat pocket so fast and shot the bad guy before he knew what happened. Heck, I had to replay it a couple of times.
Many times when dark, I will walk to my car with my Pico in the palm of my hand. No one can see it. And a gun in the hand can be mighty quick.
Wouldn't it be even quicker to just shoot through the coat?
ATN082268 is offline  
Old May 31, 2021, 10:31 PM   #40
Moonglum
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 18, 2015
Posts: 404
Quote:
Originally Posted by ATN082268 View Post
Wouldn't it be even quicker to just shoot through the coat?
Depends on the type of gun. It also depends on what the script writer thought would look coolest
__________________
You ain't even my REAL dad
Moonglum is offline  
Old June 1, 2021, 04:13 AM   #41
Carl the Floor Walker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 3, 2017
Posts: 1,323
Why waste a good coat when not necessary?
But good question and there are you tube video's of shooting pocket guns Pistols/Revolvers through coats. Either way, Great concealment and fast.
Sometimes, even Hollywood gets it right. Diligent practice and training is the key.
Carl the Floor Walker is offline  
Old June 1, 2021, 07:59 AM   #42
JustJake
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 12, 2020
Posts: 194
Quote:
I just can't conceive of a likely scenario in which I would need a BUG. A BUG takes up space that could be better used for things I'm actually likely to need such as OC.
The one key advantage of a BUG, is that drawing and presentation (i.e., getting it into the fight) will always be faster than attempting to reload your primary weapon, if you had to, under stress.

One is a simple gross motor skill, the other a fine, precise skill. Under stress, the gross motor is skill is faster (draw, point, and shoot).

Hence the ancient police maxim, which developed in the long-ago era when 99.9% of street cops still carried revolvers: "The fastest reload is a second gun."

So back then, carrying two revolvers, the second one typically a smaller J-frame, was considered more prudent than extra "speed loaders" for the primary revolver, either an N-frame or a K-frame.

In the modern era where autoloaders of all types and sizes are ubiquitous, arguably a second, smaller autoloader carried concealed but quickly accessible will be faster to get into the fight (again, if needed) than trying to reload your primary semi-auto from slide-lock.
__________________
I use the Jake Brake every chance I get.
Don't care if it annoys you.
Hear me now?!
JustJake is offline  
Old June 1, 2021, 01:20 PM   #43
CDW4ME
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 18, 2009
Posts: 1,272
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonglum View Post
The only time I've ever considered a backup gun was in the winter when I was wearing a heavy coat. I carried a smaller gun in my pocket so I didn't have to fight my way through my parka to get to my primary.

I just can't conceive of a likely scenario in which I would need a BUG. A BUG takes up space that could be better used for things I'm actually likely to need such as OC.
Not trying to convince / persuade you, just providing an example...

Someone carries a 38 snub/LCP/365/Hellcat - whatever - in their dominant hand pocket.
If for any reason their dominant hand is unavailable (ex: holding off attacker, unexpectedly injured) drawing the gun from pocket with weak hand aint gonna be quick or easy.
Same applies to a handgun carried 3:00-4:00 IWB if dominant hand is unavailable, drawing with weak hand may not be easy or quick.

I carry either AIWB or strong side IWB and that does not afford the option of putting my hand on pistol without revealing I'm carrying.
Having a 2nd gun in weak hand front pocket affords me that option, as well as easy access by non-dominant hand. (Its not a back-up, its options).

Again, just providing examples, not trying to change anybody's mind.
__________________
Strive to carry the handgun you would want anywhere, everywhere; forget that good area bullcrap.
"Wouldn't want to / Nobody volunteer to" get shot by _____ is not indicative of quickly incapacitating.
CDW4ME is offline  
Old June 1, 2021, 03:31 PM   #44
Moonglum
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 18, 2015
Posts: 404
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJake View Post
The one key advantage of a BUG, is that drawing and presentation (i.e., getting it into the fight) will always be faster than attempting to reload your primary weapon, if you had to, under stress.

One is a simple gross motor skill, the other a fine, precise skill. Under stress, the gross motor is skill is faster (draw, point, and shoot).
Then why should I practice or even carry reloads?
__________________
You ain't even my REAL dad
Moonglum is offline  
Old June 1, 2021, 04:38 PM   #45
TruthTellers
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 22, 2016
Posts: 3,621
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJake View Post
The one key advantage of a BUG, is that drawing and presentation (i.e., getting it into the fight) will always be faster than attempting to reload your primary weapon, if you had to, under stress.

One is a simple gross motor skill, the other a fine, precise skill. Under stress, the gross motor is skill is faster (draw, point, and shoot).

Hence the ancient police maxim, which developed in the long-ago era when 99.9% of street cops still carried revolvers: "The fastest reload is a second gun."

So back then, carrying two revolvers, the second one typically a smaller J-frame, was considered more prudent than extra "speed loaders" for the primary revolver, either an N-frame or a K-frame.

In the modern era where autoloaders of all types and sizes are ubiquitous, arguably a second, smaller autoloader carried concealed but quickly accessible will be faster to get into the fight (again, if needed) than trying to reload your primary semi-auto from slide-lock.
There's another advantage that people don't consider much for some reason and that's a BUG is a second gun you can put into the hands of an ally. Doubles the potential firepower.
__________________
"We always think there's gonna be more time... then it runs out."
TruthTellers is offline  
Old June 1, 2021, 04:41 PM   #46
AK103K
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 1, 2001
Posts: 10,223
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJake View Post
The one key advantage of a BUG, is that drawing and presentation (i.e., getting it into the fight) will always be faster than attempting to reload your primary weapon, if you had to, under stress.

One is a simple gross motor skill, the other a fine, precise skill. Under stress, the gross motor is skill is faster (draw, point, and shoot).
It "might" be, if you're practicing your BUG draw as regularly, as you do your primary draw, and you're accustomed to doing it, and you're as good a shot with it. And hopefully, you carry that gun in the same place all the time, like the primary.

I would put the speed of a reload, by someone who practices them regularly, against someone trying to draw a BUG, and especially one that they never practice to do.

Except for those circumstances where you're either out of ammo with no reload left, or you cant for some reason get to the reload and you're rolling around with someone, etc, Im just not seeing that a practiced reload isn't quicker than trying to deal with the empty gun and trying to get the BUG into action.

Im betting that most who are accustomed to doing the reload, will already have the gun loaded and back up and running, and without thinking about doing it.

I think the only way the BUG would come close to that, is if that is the only plan you have, and you skip the reload. Still don't think you'll be quicker though.
AK103K is offline  
Old June 1, 2021, 09:06 PM   #47
JustJake
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 12, 2020
Posts: 194
Quote:
Then why should I practice or even carry reloads?
Dude, ....

If you DON'T carry a BUG, then you SHOULD be practicing reloading drills with as many spare mags as you intend to carry on the street.

If you DO carry a BUG, then you SHOULD be practicing the draw and fire sequence once your primary pistol hits slide-lock (if a semi), just as you'd do on the street in a real gunfight.

Hands-down, getting the BUG into the fight will always be faster than the extra seconds it takes to reload your primary weapon.
__________________
I use the Jake Brake every chance I get.
Don't care if it annoys you.
Hear me now?!
JustJake is offline  
Old June 1, 2021, 09:40 PM   #48
Moonglum
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 18, 2015
Posts: 404
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJake View Post
Hands-down, getting the BUG into the fight will always be faster than the extra seconds it takes to reload your primary weapon.
Dude,....

This is based on?


While we're here, can we address the fact that after studying thousands of citizen self defense shooting John Corriea has seen exactly ZERO instances in which the fight lasted long enough to require a reload?
__________________
You ain't even my REAL dad
Moonglum is offline  
Old June 2, 2021, 03:00 AM   #49
Carl the Floor Walker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 3, 2017
Posts: 1,323
All of these post about Bug's and reloads, comments like carrying two heavy pistols all day, 16 rds of 10mm etc, always get me to thinking and reflecting on all all the years I have been carrying a EDC. And during that time, listening to the news where someone was shot etc. The thing is, I have never even heard of a situation where anyone had to do this. Even the police shooting are typically one to three rounds. Where does all this irrational fear come from? Even two polls on two well known gun forums showed that almost all the users have never even had to use a EDC. A few reported of shooting one rd two at the most but that was less than 1%.

When I see this use of so much fire power etc. and can only reflect back to situations like when the FBI came into the famous gun fight in Fl. where they were in a shoot out with two of the most violent well armed and skilled Criminals. Do people vision themselves being in a gunfight like the FBI were in on that day?

I carry a small pocket gun on most days. Most of the time in a small light weight holster. It is so easy to EDC all day every day. And I am, what I think is skilled at shooting them. No Pro by any means, but like someone that loves to shoot pool, or play golf and does it often.
But that skill did not come from fear of wanting to protect myself, it actually came from the fact that I just have FUN shooting them. It is enjoyable for me, challenging. I like the friendly competition with the group of Pocket gun shooters that I have belonged with for so many years. Can I do fast reloads, run to different positions, shoot behind different obstacles etc. No. do not care to. Mostly just practice drawing and hitting multiple targets as fast as possible.
Pocket guns and snub nose revolvers. Just fun guns to shoot had have a great hour of relaxing fun or a day at the range. The fact is, I just love shooting. Many people shoot mainly for defense training. Some do not really even like it. Different strokes is fine with me.

The OP asked about a good BUG. Hell, I have no idea. I can tell him what I think is a good small 380 in quality. What I enjoy shooting, what IMO will last a lot of rounds and offer good control and comforting shooting. But I do not carry a BUG, and have no desire to. One small 380 on my hip is what I mainly carry. And LOL, sometimes I think I do not even need that.
Since I do like to shoot the small guns, I felt shooting them so often, I would set goals for what I thought was reasonable and practical. Different drills at close range and then I moved up to drawing and head shots at 15 yds. Just part of having fun and setting realistic goals. Below is the, what I call realistic goals for a actual situation of a gun fight or assualt that could happen. Maybe I set my goals to low, do not train like a cop or FBI etc. Do not want to. Just want to have fun while focusing on realistic defense. My main goal and still is, is to be better than average and have fun while doing it. I believe a actual assault will be quick and decided by the first couple of rounds. And the bad guy always has the advantage of surprise.
I have a much greater fear of a text message driver than I do any bad guy or a gun fight!


Last edited by Carl the Floor Walker; June 2, 2021 at 03:32 AM.
Carl the Floor Walker is offline  
Old June 2, 2021, 06:53 AM   #50
AK103K
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 1, 2001
Posts: 10,223
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl the Floor Walker View Post
I have a much greater fear of a text message driver than I do any bad guy or a gun fight!
Yea, me too.

The other thing that's pretty scary, is all the people carrying guns these days that don't take the time to practice regularly and become proficient with them, and in all respects.
AK103K is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2020 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Page generated in 0.14266 seconds with 9 queries