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Old March 31, 2020, 07:05 PM   #26
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The Remington 11-48 ushered in the era of stamped parts after WWII developed methods showed they were quite acceptable, and all 870s have always had those.
I have owned all of them but a 37, and having shot several never felt the urge to own one. A Wingmaster has never disappointed me. Bought an Express and killed two geese with the first two shots, but I missed the joy of caressing that shiny bluing and walnut in the blind so I had to part with it.
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Old March 31, 2020, 07:13 PM   #27
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Old April 1, 2020, 08:28 AM   #28
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In regards to Drm50's statement, "Anything made since these guns demise has been a down hill spiral of race to the bottom." I own 5 Remington 870's, a 1953 12 gauge WM, a 1969 12 gauge WM, 1st year production 1994 28 gauge Express, a newer .410 bore Express and just picked up a brand new 20 gauge Express and while the latter three aren't as pretty as the two Wingmasters they have performed flawlessly over the years and taken their fair share of grouse and Woodcock (Haven't hunted with the 20 gauge yet). But regardless of which gun I pull off the wall to hunt with or shoot trap or skeet with I by no means feel that I am using a bottom of the barrel gun. Not only that, one has to consider the tradeoffs of owning a "superior" vintage gun. One is parts availability and in that regard the 870 reigns supreme while the model 31 parts are becoming harder to find by the day. One can still find model 12 parts but how about 20 years from now when your son or grandson is using that same shotgun. Please. I love old shotguns and have a beautiful 1942 Winchester model 1897. But I will never view my 870's as a bottom of the barrel choice. Easy to clean, easy to carry, easy to repair (never have had to), goes bang EVERY time and hits what I point at. What more does one need. The only advantage I will concede with owning a model 12 or 31 is perhaps pride of ownership (I like old things)
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Old April 1, 2020, 01:08 PM   #29
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Hear, Hear! regaring classics.

For hunting upland, love my 4 M37's, [12, 2x-16's & 20]

For specific Ruff grouse, 1979 Ruger RedLabel - 20 [Skt & Skt]

Turkey - Win97 with full hoke, BWN A5 [12MAG, STD 12, & Std 16]

Deer or Bear the above and Moss 500, with scope, using Brenneke slug.

Defense ; ALL the ABOVE!

Presently trying to work a deal on a SWEET 16!!!
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Old April 1, 2020, 04:14 PM   #30
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I have Mossberg 500s, Winchester 97s, Ithaca 37s, Remington 870s, and Browning BPS. The 37 gets my vote for being the easiest to shoot mostly dove and quail. I never hunt water fowl so I can't honestly make statements to that effect. If the doves are flying high, the Win 97 gets the call. The others get some use at targets and game birds just to keep them in the mix.
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Old April 2, 2020, 07:47 AM   #31
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Ithaca Model 37, all steel, no stampings, or plastic parts!!
Nice walnut stocks and handles like a dream.

For a while they made a aluminum alloy model that is lighter than the standard model.
My 20 gauge UltraLight weighs less than five pounds. The problem is trying to find
one! They were made in 12,16, and 20 gauge's. The 20's come up every so often,
12's nd 16's are scarce as hen's teeth!!
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Old April 2, 2020, 03:48 PM   #32
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My all time favorite has always been the Model 37.

I have an Express and agree with the comments regarding poor finish prone to rust and FTE issues. These are Express issues and do not seem to be the case with the Wingmaster. There's a reason for the big price differential between the two.

I also have a Winchester SXP which has been trouble free and is butter smooth. I think it is one of the better budget pumps.
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Old April 4, 2020, 07:20 AM   #33
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If I were to go out today and buy a pump, I’d be looking for a tactical version and would most likely choose the FN P-12. For sheer smoothness and the way it handles and fits.

Second choice would be the 590A1, because I really like the location of the controls.
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Old April 4, 2020, 11:59 AM   #34
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Ithaca Model 37, all steel, no stampings, or plastic parts!!
Nice walnut stocks and handles like a dream.

The problem is trying to find
one! They were made in 12,16, and 20 gauge's. The 20's come up every so often,
12's nd 16's are scarce as hen's teeth!!
I had wanted a 37 in 16 or 20 for years and lucked into one in a lot from a friend's Dad who wanted to get rid of what he had. Got a BPS, 2 Mossys' and a 37. The 37 is a Featherlight in 16g. Still working on it. Stripped the stock and added a recoil pad so far.

PatientWolf, not a lot of people have handled the P12. It is a sweet tactical pump gun.
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Old April 6, 2020, 06:57 AM   #35
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Favorite pump

Ithaca model 37. No doubt.
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Old April 6, 2020, 08:33 AM   #36
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One very nice thing about the Ithaca is you can load the chamber with
everyone looking at you.

You palm a shell, then lift the shell up into the receiver pushing the forks upward.
Lifting the shell in front of the bolt and then pulling the forearm forward.
This is a learned exercise and once mastered you will wonder why you did not
do this before.
Oh yeah be careful you don't load your fingers too!!

Most shooters shove a shell into the magazine then cycle the action to
load the chamber. This little trick is so much better.
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Old April 19, 2020, 09:09 PM   #37
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Winchester model 12
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Old April 20, 2020, 07:58 AM   #38
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The Ithaca Model 37 has always been my favorite in terms of aesthetics, but in terms of form and function my favorite is the Mossberg 590 Shockwave.
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Old April 20, 2020, 08:01 AM   #39
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My Ithica 12ga Featherweight.
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Old April 20, 2020, 08:39 AM   #40
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Ithaca Model 37, all steel, no stampings, or plastic parts!!
Nice walnut stocks and handles like a dream.

For a while they made a aluminum alloy model that is lighter than the standard model.
My 20 gauge UltraLight weighs less than five pounds. The problem is trying to find
one! They were made in 12,16, and 20 gauge's. The 20's come up every so often,
12's nd 16's are scarce as hen's teeth!!
Put me into the Ithaca M37 camp as well. I have two, one a 16 GA M37 made in 1943 and an English Ultralight M37 in 20 GA made in 1984. The Ultralight weighs less than some of my .22 rimfire rifles.
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Old April 20, 2020, 12:47 PM   #41
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Old April 21, 2020, 09:10 AM   #42
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model 12.........
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Old April 23, 2020, 12:03 PM   #43
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I’m typically a Remington. I’ve probably had 5 or 6 870’s over the years. Last year though, I picked up a Benelli Super Nova and for some weird reason I shoot it a lot better. I can’t narrow it down to one specific thing. It feels a little better, sight picture is a little better, and I can grip it a little better. I wouldn’t turn my nose at a 870 but for me, the Super Nova has become my new favorite.
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Old April 30, 2020, 03:51 PM   #44
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My favorite pump shotgun is the Mossberg 500 which my Dad got for me when I was growing up. The best, probably not but my favorite, yes
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Old April 30, 2020, 07:54 PM   #45
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Grew up with an 870 and currently have a few examples but also have a Maverick Security for HD duty.

The 870 feels better in my hands though.
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Old May 28, 2020, 12:26 PM   #48
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Slow down hill race to the bottom ? What is it now - 11 million or so 870s sold ? Damn, that race to the bottom is still going on, ain't it ? I've owned them all, even a model 10, 17, and 31s before the 870. Let's see, Rudy Etchen, a trap shooting hall of famer, shot perfect 100s at doubles 50 years apart with the same 870. I have em in Wingmaster and the Express and the only difference is the finish. There's still plenty of trap shooters using a 870. Not so with any other pump. Well, maybe a couple of Model 12s, but not like you once did. My vote goes to the 870, hands down. A side note. When shooting SCs or DBs in trap, it doesn't matter if you're pulling back on the forearm when you fire the gun, the slide will still go back. With a 870. I'm not sure, but I don't think you can with other pumps. Maybe that's why Rudy was so lighting quick. People would line up to watch him shoot live birds or DBs trap. One time a guy ask him why he shot a 870. His reply was " when I find a better gun I'll buy two, one for me and one for you". For the OP, you foregot the most important one, a 870.

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Old May 29, 2020, 01:38 AM   #49
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money well spent

In spring, 1980 I bought myself a new Rem 870 Magnum, 12 ga. Screw in chokes were yet in the future (for Remington), and you could still buy paper shotshells in some places. If I recall correctly, I paid $286+ dollars for it, and it came equipped with a 30" vent rib full choke barrel. I bought a 26" IC barrel that fall, and a bit later a 26" full choke barrel as well, and traded the great honkin' 30 incher away. Even later I acquired a 20" rifle sighted barrel with Rem-Choke, and to it attached a super full turkey turkey tube, along with a very early synthetic stock and forearm set. It was and still is my primary hunting shotgun, though I have some others now.

The bluing is worn away at the junction of the barrel and magtube with the receiver, where one carries in convenient trail manner. Appearance/wear wise, the gun now resembles one of the old guns my granddads or great uncles would have carried. Now that I think of it, I guess I'm about that age. I've taken to painting it for gobbler season and just leave the coats of paint build up. It has been shot, loaded and unloaded enough that I had to replace the carrier assembly, (rivet failed) and installed a new carrier dog spring as well at the same time. I never kept a round count, and would not try and even guess. It's not as high as a clay bird gun, but for a hunter, it's seen a lot of shooting and even more carry, over the course of 40 years. (geez?). The walnut stock set is stashed in my den, as are the matching 26" tubes, none of which look too bad. In its class A dress uniform, it still looks good, but as I noted, it just stays painted these days.

It seemed a lot of money (and was) for a buck ranger with only seasonal employment back then but now I realize 'twas money well spent!
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Old May 29, 2020, 04:39 PM   #50
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I bought my first Wingmaster, a 12 Gauge Magnum, in the fall of 1974 when I took up goose hunting. 30" Full choke. I killed two geese with the first two shots I ever fired out of it, the next morning, and without any cleaning. Ah, the good old days. I shot that gun better than any other gun I have ever owned. In a blinding flash of stupidity I sold it in 1981 after I started hunting out of a cramped floating blind and short shucked it a couple of times. I realized the error of my ways and 6 870s later I got a like new 1976 model similarly configured and figured that was as close as I was going to get. I still use it for waterfowl on occasion, with a light contour barrel and an improved modified choke tube and it performs excellently.
I had 3 BPSs and they never missed a beat, but I could never grow to love that bottom only loading. An Ithaca 37 just never felt right.
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