6.5 Creedmoor DO NOT BUY

Zen Archery · November 9, 2017, 10:03 AM

Unless you've got a mile to shoot. Seriously...
Click Here For Video

On another note had a sales person at Cabelas tell me the 6.5 Creedmoor has "terminal performance issues."
It was at that point I pulled out my cell phone showing him 40 hogs I've dropped over the past years using 6 different bullets. Everyone of them efficiently dropping Texas boars from 25-315 lbs. I wasn't trying to be a jerk, just informative in hopes he stops the myth of "poor terminal issues."

Art Eatman · November 9, 2017, 10:07 AM

Another instance of the difference between 'I heard" vs. reality.

K31Scout · November 9, 2017, 10:41 AM

NRA's American Rifleman magazine (September 2017) took the 6.5 CM to Africa and With Hornady 143gr ELD-X and 120gr GMX cleanly and quickly killed Zebra, Gemsbok, Hartbeast, Blue Wildebeest and Springbok from 100 thru 515 yards. Recovered bullets expanded as advertised.

zipspyder · November 9, 2017, 11:36 AM

I really dislike when someone that is supposed to be in the know hands out bad advice as part of their job. Sounds like he was using buzzwords to sound knowledgeable, "terminal performance issues".

444 · November 9, 2017, 12:30 PM

Certain cartridges fire magic bullets don't you know ?

For example, take a given bullet and fire it at an animal out of a .260 and the animal drops dead. Take the same bullet and fire it out of a 6.5 Swede and the animal drops dead. Take the same bullet and fire it out of a 6.5 Creed and it has "terminal performance issues".

I think it has something to do with the name. Some names just don't kill as well as other names.

TXAZ · November 9, 2017, 12:51 PM

Well... if it makes any difference, a shooter with a 6.5 Creedmore bolt gun had a first shot hit at 1609 meters (aka1 mile) at our fun shoot ELD event a month ago at a 16” steel target.
Other shooters had very solid performance from 600 meters and above.
It’s a very solid system with match ammo.

rickyrick · November 9, 2017, 01:01 PM

Has to be .30cal or above to perform in a terminally satisfactory manner... everyone knows that.

I’ve heard some eyebrow raising things when near the bun section of stores.

Stats Shooter · November 9, 2017, 01:13 PM

Terminal ballistic performance on game is a function of bullet construction, sectional density, momentum, and diameter.

There are instances where some cartridges cannot perform with a given bullet due to case capacity constraints, or because of projectile size constraints, but it is funny when you hear someone say something silly about terminal performance.

A 6.5 creed, in my opinion, makes for an excellent medium game cartridge. By medium I mean large deer and below. In Colorado there is a .270 cal and a ft. lbs of energy requirement on Elk, moose etc. So law may dictate where you can and cannot use the 6.5. But on medium game I think it is a great option.

I am actually thinking about trying my 6mm remington AI on hogs. With 110 gr bullets I think it will do just fine.

T. O'Heir · November 9, 2017, 01:27 PM

"...a sales person at Cabela's..." Is untrained and paid minimum wage.
Yet another reason not to get your education from YouTube. The idiot is an unsafe shooter. Loads the rifle without being ready to shoot and left the safety off. Get him kicked off a real range.

Deaf Smith · November 9, 2017, 04:04 PM

Personally I don't see much difference between 6.5 CM and 7mm-08 or other such rounds.

Neither kicks much, both take heavy bullets (but the 7mm as a bit heavier ones.) The long range drop between them ain't worth losing sleep over either.

I pick the 7mm-08 cause that is what I have. I see no reason to have two guns that are so similar in ability.

Deaf

Model12Win · November 9, 2017, 06:47 PM

There are some that get the sixer-fife mike mike Creeder, and those that don't.

bfoosh006 · November 9, 2017, 07:39 PM

Very Nice !!

... I could tell you were slightly let down... let down because you needed a longer range !

This weekend I break in mine.

Mobuck · November 9, 2017, 09:19 PM

"There are some that get the sixer-fife mike mike Creeder, and those that don't."

Not really. Like any other cartridge, this super whammy jammer is limited by the laws of physics. It's not magical and can't perform significantly differently than similar cartridges already in use.

MarkCO · November 9, 2017, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mississippi

... In Colorado there is a .270 cal and a ft. lbs of energy requirement on Elk, moose etc. So law may dictate where you can and cannot use the 6.5. But on medium game I think it is a great option...

This is the CO law: To legally hunt elk with a rifle in Colorado, you must use a rifle that fires expanding bullets with a minimum caliber of .24 cal. or 6mm, a minimum weight of 85 grains that delivers at least 1,000 ft. lbs. of energy at 100 yards.

Stats Shooter · November 9, 2017, 09:49 PM

Ahh, thanks for the clarification. I could have sworn it was .27 cal.

VoodooMountain · November 9, 2017, 10:07 PM

I think it is a great little rjob bud for hunting and paper. I don’t have one simplybecause I didn’t want to spend nearly 1$/ piece brass

stagpanther · November 9, 2017, 10:22 PM

Ladder drug to the 6mm creed.

bfoosh006 · November 14, 2017, 09:34 AM

I gotta say... my PSA PA65 upper fired some outstanding groups on my first outing with it.

Sub MOA 5rd groups with 5 different factory ammo's ... I am sold on the 6.5CM.

Best group of the day.

Don Fischer · November 14, 2017, 10:31 AM

Well that does it for 6.5, the bullet's are no good! :-)

the blur · May 5, 2019, 03:29 PM

My X-bolt 6.5 shoots 1" groups at 200 yards. Off sand bags.
and I'm not professional

Can't imagine what it would do on a bipod.....

Capt Rick Hiott · May 5, 2019, 04:45 PM

,,,,,,,,,,"...a sales person at Cabela's..." Is untrained and paid minimum wage."

Ding,,Ding,,Ding! We have a winner!

TXAZ · May 5, 2019, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the blur

My X-bolt 6.5 shoots 1" groups at 200 yards. Off sand bags.
and I'm not professional

Can't imagine what it would do on a bipod.....

Sorry to hear you're getting such poor performance, the blur.

Once I got it sighted in, my 6.5 Creedmoor, shooting Hornady ELD Match rounds shot a sub-inch group with 4 rounds touching and one hole one quarter of an inch to the right at 100 yards.
I guess we'll have to try harder, the blur, as that's not very good performance according to the criteria from the Cabela's guy.

precision_shooter · May 5, 2019, 07:41 PM

Dang, I wish I knew that before investing in one as my do-all rifle for anything in the lower 48...
My Tikka shoots .4” 5-shot groups at 100yds with factory 140gr Hornady ammo. I think I’ll keep it around.

Also, I never listened to the “experts” at cabelas and stopped shopping there when bass pro bought them out. Bass pro priced everything so high. Same item would be 30-40% cheaper at cabelas. Cabelas never had the best prices to begin with, now it’s even worse. They don’t need my money. I support my local shops/dealers these days and if they don’t have it the internet does.

rallyhound · May 5, 2019, 10:13 PM

My daddy told me if you buy a 6.5 you must be euro-peee-an who hate the flag and is allergic to apple pie.

Bimus · May 5, 2019, 10:47 PM

This reminds me of a guy I worked with in the mid 90's he tells me about the one pistol round that makes all others obsolete I ask him what grain bullet he says all of them the 45 and 9mm are done . Yes he found a Springfield 40 XD and a salesman that knows all about it and has one for sale.

I think I will hang on to my 30-30

November 9, 2017, 10:03 AM	#1
Zen Archery Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2005 Posts: 274	6.5 Creedmoor DO NOT BUY Unless you've got a mile to shoot. Seriously... Click Here For Video On another note had a sales person at Cabelas tell me the 6.5 Creedmoor has "terminal performance issues." It was at that point I pulled out my cell phone showing him 40 hogs I've dropped over the past years using 6 different bullets. Everyone of them efficiently dropping Texas boars from 25-315 lbs. I wasn't trying to be a jerk, just informative in hopes he stops the myth of "poor terminal issues." __________________ Video Hunting Library

November 9, 2017, 12:30 PM	#5
444 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,968	Certain cartridges fire magic bullets don't you know ? For example, take a given bullet and fire it at an animal out of a .260 and the animal drops dead. Take the same bullet and fire it out of a 6.5 Swede and the animal drops dead. Take the same bullet and fire it out of a 6.5 Creed and it has "terminal performance issues". I think it has something to do with the name. Some names just don't kill as well as other names. __________________ You know the rest. In the books you have read How the British Regulars fired and fled, How the farmers gave them ball for ball, From behind each fence and farmyard wall, Chasing the redcoats down the lane, Then crossing the fields to emerge again Under the trees at the turn of the road, And only pausing to fire and load.

November 9, 2017, 12:51 PM	#6
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	Well... if it makes any difference, a shooter with a 6.5 Creedmore bolt gun had a first shot hit at 1609 meters (aka1 mile) at our fun shoot ELD event a month ago at a 16” steel target. Other shooters had very solid performance from 600 meters and above. It’s a very solid system with match ammo. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

November 9, 2017, 01:27 PM	#9
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	"...a sales person at Cabela's..." Is untrained and paid minimum wage. Yet another reason not to get your education from YouTube. The idiot is an unsafe shooter. Loads the rifle without being ready to shoot and left the safety off. Get him kicked off a real range. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

November 9, 2017, 04:04 PM	#10
Deaf Smith Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2000 Location: Texican! Posts: 4,453	Personally I don't see much difference between 6.5 CM and 7mm-08 or other such rounds. Neither kicks much, both take heavy bullets (but the 7mm as a bit heavier ones.) The long range drop between them ain't worth losing sleep over either. I pick the 7mm-08 cause that is what I have. I see no reason to have two guns that are so similar in ability. Deaf __________________ “To you who call yourselves ‘men of peace,’ I say, you are not safe without men of action by your side” Thucydides

November 9, 2017, 10:07 AM	#2
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	Another instance of the difference between 'I heard" vs. reality.

November 9, 2017, 10:41 AM	#3
K31Scout Member Join Date: January 2, 2012 Posts: 40	NRA's American Rifleman magazine (September 2017) took the 6.5 CM to Africa and With Hornady 143gr ELD-X and 120gr GMX cleanly and quickly killed Zebra, Gemsbok, Hartbeast, Blue Wildebeest and Springbok from 100 thru 515 yards. Recovered bullets expanded as advertised.

November 9, 2017, 11:36 AM	#4
zipspyder Junior member Join Date: June 13, 2017 Posts: 429	I really dislike when someone that is supposed to be in the know hands out bad advice as part of their job. Sounds like he was using buzzwords to sound knowledgeable, "terminal performance issues".

November 9, 2017, 01:01 PM	#7
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,237	Has to be .30cal or above to perform in a terminally satisfactory manner... everyone knows that. I’ve heard some eyebrow raising things when near the bun section of stores.

November 9, 2017, 01:13 PM	#8
Stats Shooter Senior Member Join Date: August 26, 2016 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,636	Terminal ballistic performance on game is a function of bullet construction, sectional density, momentum, and diameter. There are instances where some cartridges cannot perform with a given bullet due to case capacity constraints, or because of projectile size constraints, but it is funny when you hear someone say something silly about terminal performance. A 6.5 creed, in my opinion, makes for an excellent medium game cartridge. By medium I mean large deer and below. In Colorado there is a .270 cal and a ft. lbs of energy requirement on Elk, moose etc. So law may dictate where you can and cannot use the 6.5. But on medium game I think it is a great option. I am actually thinking about trying my 6mm remington AI on hogs. With 110 gr bullets I think it will do just fine.

November 9, 2017, 06:47 PM	#11
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	There are some that get the sixer-fife mike mike Creeder, and those that don't.

November 9, 2017, 07:39 PM	#12
bfoosh006 Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2009 Posts: 1,089	Very Nice !! ... I could tell you were slightly let down... let down because you needed a longer range ! This weekend I break in mine.

November 9, 2017, 09:19 PM	#13
Mobuck Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2010 Posts: 6,846	"There are some that get the sixer-fife mike mike Creeder, and those that don't." Not really. Like any other cartridge, this super whammy jammer is limited by the laws of physics. It's not magical and can't perform significantly differently than similar cartridges already in use.

November 9, 2017, 09:49 PM	#15
Stats Shooter Senior Member Join Date: August 26, 2016 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,636	Ahh, thanks for the clarification. I could have sworn it was .27 cal.

November 9, 2017, 10:07 PM	#16
VoodooMountain Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2014 Posts: 179	I think it is a great little rjob bud for hunting and paper. I don’t have one simplybecause I didn’t want to spend nearly 1$/ piece brass

November 9, 2017, 10:22 PM	#17
stagpanther Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2014 Posts: 11,787	Ladder drug to the 6mm creed. __________________ "Everyone speaks gun."--Robert O'Neill *I am NOT an expert--I do not have any formal experience or certification in firearms use or testing; use any information I post at your own risk!*

November 14, 2017, 09:34 AM	#18
bfoosh006 Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2009 Posts: 1,089	I gotta say... my PSA PA65 upper fired some outstanding groups on my first outing with it. Sub MOA 5rd groups with 5 different factory ammo's ... I am sold on the 6.5CM. Best group of the day.

November 14, 2017, 10:31 AM	#19
Don Fischer Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2017 Posts: 1,868	Well that does it for 6.5, the bullet's are no good! :-)

May 5, 2019, 03:29 PM	#20
the blur Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2010 Posts: 243	My X-bolt 6.5 shoots 1" groups at 200 yards. Off sand bags. and I'm not professional Can't imagine what it would do on a bipod.....

May 5, 2019, 04:45 PM	#21
Capt Rick Hiott Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2010 Posts: 376	,,,,,,,,,,"...a sales person at Cabela's..." Is untrained and paid minimum wage." Ding,,Ding,,Ding! We have a winner! __________________ Capt Rick Hiott Charleston,SC

May 5, 2019, 07:41 PM	#23
precision_shooter Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 2,475	Dang, I wish I knew that before investing in one as my do-all rifle for anything in the lower 48... My Tikka shoots .4” 5-shot groups at 100yds with factory 140gr Hornady ammo. I think I’ll keep it around. Also, I never listened to the “experts” at cabelas and stopped shopping there when bass pro bought them out. Bass pro priced everything so high. Same item would be 30-40% cheaper at cabelas. Cabelas never had the best prices to begin with, now it’s even worse. They don’t need my money. I support my local shops/dealers these days and if they don’t have it the internet does. __________________ "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, 1776

May 5, 2019, 10:13 PM	#24
rallyhound Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 271	My daddy told me if you buy a 6.5 you must be euro-peee-an who hate the flag and is allergic to apple pie. __________________ When it's all said and done--- More will be said Free" men do not ask permission to bear arms.

May 5, 2019, 10:47 PM	#25
Bimus Senior Member Join Date: April 15, 2018 Location: Farmington NM Posts: 122	This reminds me of a guy I worked with in the mid 90's he tells me about the one pistol round that makes all others obsolete I ask him what grain bullet he says all of them the 45 and 9mm are done . Yes he found a Springfield 40 XD and a salesman that knows all about it and has one for sale. I think I will hang on to my 30-30