Brass '58?

ZVP · June 14, 2012, 11:29 AM

I have both a full length and a 5 1/2" '58 and I have been admiring a Brasser.
I know the limits of brass but if you watch it, will a Brass framed '58 last a good while (for years)?
I am contemplating 18-20 gr powder loads.
ZVP

Hawg · June 14, 2012, 12:43 PM

Yeah, it will last awhile but I think I'd stick to 15-18 grains.

Kog73 · June 14, 2012, 12:56 PM

Yes, don't fully load a brass one and stick to a low load, otherwise the cylinder will push back and `stretch` the frame. I personally use 13/13.5 grains on my 1858 `buffalo` and that does me fine for 25 yards

ZVP · June 14, 2012, 05:50 PM

25-18 gr Sounds good to me, I don't want the Brasser to be a powerhouse as I have the steel frames for that. I just ike the look of the full circle Brass Frame on the imitation '58. Sometimes I just pick up my Brass Framed Navy Model and admire it, cause it DOES look good!
I actually shoot the Brass Navy Model quite a bit but I do it with 20gr and below. It operates really smooth. I think the Brass Fraqme acts like a bearing surface for the internals.
ZVP

Shotput79 · June 16, 2012, 01:01 AM

Hay the brass frame 58 Remmies is a little stronger than the Colt models. One of the problems with the Colt brass frames is the rear of the cylinders have teeth where the hand uses to rotate the cylinder when you put to much powder in them those teeth dig into the blast shild and turn them into a paper wight. The Remmies aren't like that. The back of the cylinders are flat and smooth and you have the top strap so the Remmie is a little bit more stronger than the Colt brass frame because of that. The Remmie will last a nice long time as long as the powder charges are kepted around 15 to 25 grs. The Colt should last a long time with 15 to 20 gr loads. Hay I wouldn't let the brass frame scare me off or keep me from buying one. People that get them and over load them like they are steel frame models then raise cain cause the gun is all messed up has no one to blame but them self. I like my brass models and they shoot just fine with the lighter loads. They are a lot of fun.

Dell

zullo74 · June 16, 2012, 07:14 AM

Dell,

You have that teeth thing backasswards! The Colt does surely have teeth, but they DO NOT contact anything. There is a built in recoil ring on the standing breach, OTOH the Remington pattern has no recoil ring, and even though the ratchet teeth are smoother, they slam the standing breach and leave their mark (especially on a brass frame). I speak from personal experience with both types.

Hawg · June 16, 2012, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Hay the brass frame 58 Remmies is a little stronger than the Colt models.

Keep on thinking that.

zullo74 · June 16, 2012, 02:16 PM

That's exactly how the battered recoil shield of MY Remington brasser looks too.

Shotput79 · June 19, 2012, 09:26 PM

OK I've seen the built in recoil ring your talking about on the Colt brass modles zullo. I just think the Remmies are a little stronger than the Colts that's all. Just don't over load either one and they should last you a good long time. If you want more power go steel.

June 14, 2012, 11:29 AM	#1
ZVP Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2009 Posts: 1,102	Brass '58? I have both a full length and a 5 1/2" '58 and I have been admiring a Brasser. I know the limits of brass but if you watch it, will a Brass framed '58 last a good while (for years)? I am contemplating 18-20 gr powder loads. ZVP

June 14, 2012, 12:43 PM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Yeah, it will last awhile but I think I'd stick to 15-18 grains.

June 14, 2012, 12:56 PM	#3
Kog73 Junior Member Join Date: June 13, 2012 Posts: 10	Yes, don't fully load a brass one and stick to a low load, otherwise the cylinder will push back and `stretch` the frame. I personally use 13/13.5 grains on my 1858 `buffalo` and that does me fine for 25 yards

June 14, 2012, 05:50 PM	#4
ZVP Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2009 Posts: 1,102	25-18 gr Sounds good to me, I don't want the Brasser to be a powerhouse as I have the steel frames for that. I just ike the look of the full circle Brass Frame on the imitation '58. Sometimes I just pick up my Brass Framed Navy Model and admire it, cause it DOES look good! I actually shoot the Brass Navy Model quite a bit but I do it with 20gr and below. It operates really smooth. I think the Brass Fraqme acts like a bearing surface for the internals. ZVP

June 16, 2012, 01:01 AM	#5
Shotput79 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Location: NC Posts: 186	Hay the brass frame 58 Remmies is a little stronger than the Colt models. One of the problems with the Colt brass frames is the rear of the cylinders have teeth where the hand uses to rotate the cylinder when you put to much powder in them those teeth dig into the blast shild and turn them into a paper wight. The Remmies aren't like that. The back of the cylinders are flat and smooth and you have the top strap so the Remmie is a little bit more stronger than the Colt brass frame because of that. The Remmie will last a nice long time as long as the powder charges are kepted around 15 to 25 grs. The Colt should last a long time with 15 to 20 gr loads. Hay I wouldn't let the brass frame scare me off or keep me from buying one. People that get them and over load them like they are steel frame models then raise cain cause the gun is all messed up has no one to blame but them self. I like my brass models and they shoot just fine with the lighter loads. They are a lot of fun. Dell

June 16, 2012, 07:14 AM	#6
zullo74 Junior member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Posts: 374	Dell, You have that teeth thing backasswards! The Colt does surely have teeth, but they DO NOT contact anything. There is a built in recoil ring on the standing breach, OTOH the Remington pattern has no recoil ring, and even though the ratchet teeth are smoother, they slam the standing breach and leave their mark (especially on a brass frame). I speak from personal experience with both types.

June 16, 2012, 02:16 PM	#8
zullo74 Junior member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Posts: 374	That's exactly how the battered recoil shield of MY Remington brasser looks too.

June 19, 2012, 09:26 PM	#9
Shotput79 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Location: NC Posts: 186	OK I've seen the built in recoil ring your talking about on the Colt brass modles zullo. I just think the Remmies are a little stronger than the Colts that's all. Just don't over load either one and they should last you a good long time. If you want more power go steel.