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Old February 13, 2018, 04:21 PM   #1
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Does Ruger Single Seven Birdshead qualify as a Pocket Pistol in SASS?

Trying to understand the different SASS rules.

On page 38 of the most recent Shooters Handbook (which seems to apply to Main Match revolvers?) it reads:

"Revolver Cylinders - Center-fire and rim-fire cylinders may have no less than five and no more than six chambers."

But on page 29, Pocket Pistols are described as:

"POCKET PISTOLS AND DERRINGERS Pocket pistols and Derringers are popular for use in side matches and are occasionally introduced as an additional firearm in main match stages. - A pocket pistol is a small frame, fixed sight, pre-1900 design revolver having a barrel length of four inches or less. Pocket pistols must be .31 caliber or larger. Model ā€œPā€ Colts and clones and revolvers with swing out cylinders are specifically not allowed regardless of caliber, frame size, or barrel length. Pocket pistols may not be used as or converted to main match revolvers."

No specific mention of the number of chambers.

So, does the Single Seven Birdshead in .327 Federal with 3.75" barrel qualify for side matches?

Thanx, Dave.
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Old February 13, 2018, 07:44 PM   #2
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I don't believe so. Single seven does not have fixed sights, is not a pre 1900 design and is single action.
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Old February 14, 2018, 12:41 AM   #3
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Lipsey's has a special run of Stainless Single Sevens with fixed sights & birdshead grips. Same as the New Vaquero only smaller.

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Old February 14, 2018, 10:36 AM   #4
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It's still not going to qualify as a pocket pistol.
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Old February 14, 2018, 01:51 PM   #5
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Well, that's too bad! SASS acceptance would widen it's marketability.

It still looks like a great single-action Kit Gun, with almost .357 power, in a smooth lightweight (2#) platform.
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Old February 16, 2018, 01:33 AM   #6
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Quote:
"POCKET PISTOLS AND DERRINGERS Pocket pistols and Derringers are popular for use in side matches and are occasionally introduced as an additional firearm in main match stages. - A pocket pistol is a small frame, fixed sight, pre-1900 design revolver having a barrel length of four inches or less. Pocket pistols must be .31 caliber or larger. Model ā€œPā€ Colts and clones and revolvers with swing out cylinders are specifically not allowed regardless of caliber, frame size, or barrel length. Pocket pistols may not be used as or converted to main match revolvers."
Model P Colts and clones refers to the standard Single Action Army and its replicas. These are specifically not allowed as Pocket Pistols, no matter how short their barrels, because Main Match revolvers may not be used as Pocket Pistols and vice versa.

"regardless of caliber, frame size,"

A Single Six, or Single Seven, or Single ten is basically a smaller version of a Model P, so they too may not be used as Pocket Pistols.

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I don't believe so. Single seven does not have fixed sights, is not a pre 1900 design and is single action.
There is no requirement for a Pocket Pistol to be double action, but because double action Pocket Pistols are allowed, somebody shooting a single action will be at a serious disadvantage because competition is usually based on time.

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Well, that's too bad! SASS acceptance would widen it's marketability.
Not really. Pocket Pistol matches are not a regular feature of most CAS matches. They usually only happen at the larger regional matches. So there is not much call for Pocket Pistols in CAS.


As far as I know, there is nothing currently manufactured that qualifies as a SASS legal Pocket Pistol. You have to find an old one.

Here are a few:

S&W 32 Single Action, 32 S&W caliber.






S&W 38 Single Action, First Model (Baby Russian). 38 S&W caliber.






S&W 32 Safety Hammerless 32 S&W Caliber






S&W 32 Safety Hammerless (Bicycle Revolver) 32 S&W caliber.






S&W 38 Double Action, 4th Model, 38 S&W caliber.

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Old February 16, 2018, 02:40 AM   #7
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Wouldn't the 1849/1862 Pocket models and 1863 Pocket Remingtons with conversion cylinders qualify? Those are made by Uberti/Peitta and meet all the requirements.
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Old February 18, 2018, 05:42 PM   #8
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I agree with Driftwood; in eight years of cowboy shooting I've never seen a pocket pistol used in a monthly match.
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Old March 17, 2018, 06:16 AM   #9
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So then, could a Ruger Single-Seven be used as a main match pistol?
(only loading 5 of the 7 chambers, of course)
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