Stupid NFA Build Question

Icopy1 · July 20, 2010, 07:43 AM

I am filling out the Form 1 for the first time. My goal is to add a foreward grip and a folding stock to my new MKE 94PK, creating an SBR. For those who don't know, this is a licensed copy of the MP5K made in Turkey. On the Form 1, the ATF asks for the overall length of the weapon. Does they want the overall length before I add the stock or after?

full.tang.halo · July 20, 2010, 08:24 AM

Pulling up the Form 1 from the ATF website it asks for the barrel length and the overall length. Per ATI's website the barrel is listed @ 4.53" Depending on the folding stock you're probably looking at about 8"-9" onto the overall length of the AT-94k.

As for what "SHOULD" be put on the form to insure smooth approval, IDK, but when you're done tell me, cause I'm looking SBR my 94k too.

ISC · July 20, 2010, 08:35 AM

My understanding is that the OAL for a weapon with a folding stock is measured with the stock extended.

I remember a while back when I first got my Uzi carbine that the OAL with the stock folded was only 25". It was imported that way and was approved by BATF so I didn't figure it was illegal, but the ATF is notorious for changing their minds after the fact (ex post facto is the term I think) and then putting people in jail or confiscating their guns.

I eventually sold it because I hated the ergonomics of the gun.

I would think that by making it an SBR the OAL becomes irrelevent.

Joat · July 20, 2010, 10:49 AM

OAL is the gun in its registered condition. So OAL is with the stock installed and in the fully open position.

Joat

Icopy1 · July 20, 2010, 01:46 PM

So, I'll need to call Choate to get the length of the stock. Or, I would have to buy the stock, install it (breaking the law)

and uninstall it. I love the ATF.

ISC · July 20, 2010, 02:04 PM

I bet Choate would be happy to tell you the diminsions. I'd just buy it and measure it after it came in.

Icopy1 · July 21, 2010, 09:54 AM

I called Choate. The stock in its extended position will add 10" to the weapon in its current state. Now, all I need to do is get my Chief LEO's signature and I am good to go.

July 20, 2010, 07:43 AM	#1
Icopy1 Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 415	Stupid NFA Build Question I am filling out the Form 1 for the first time. My goal is to add a foreward grip and a folding stock to my new MKE 94PK, creating an SBR. For those who don't know, this is a licensed copy of the MP5K made in Turkey. On the Form 1, the ATF asks for the overall length of the weapon. Does they want the overall length before I add the stock or after?

July 20, 2010, 10:49 AM	#4
Joat Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2008 Location: Dayton, TX Posts: 383	OAL is the gun in its registered condition. So OAL is with the stock installed and in the fully open position. Joat __________________ All things being equal, fat people use more soap. (I know I am one.) High speed, low drag does not even come close to describing ME.

July 20, 2010, 08:24 AM	#2
full.tang.halo Junior member Join Date: April 16, 2009 Location: Brooksville, FL Posts: 161	Pulling up the Form 1 from the ATF website it asks for the barrel length and the overall length. Per ATI's website the barrel is listed @ 4.53" Depending on the folding stock you're probably looking at about 8"-9" onto the overall length of the AT-94k. As for what "SHOULD" be put on the form to insure smooth approval, IDK, but when you're done tell me, cause I'm looking SBR my 94k too.

July 20, 2010, 08:35 AM	#3
ISC Junior member Join Date: August 5, 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,982	My understanding is that the OAL for a weapon with a folding stock is measured with the stock extended. I remember a while back when I first got my Uzi carbine that the OAL with the stock folded was only 25". It was imported that way and was approved by BATF so I didn't figure it was illegal, but the ATF is notorious for changing their minds after the fact (ex post facto is the term I think) and then putting people in jail or confiscating their guns. I eventually sold it because I hated the ergonomics of the gun. I would think that by making it an SBR the OAL becomes irrelevent.

July 20, 2010, 01:46 PM	#5
Icopy1 Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 415	So, I'll need to call Choate to get the length of the stock. Or, I would have to buy the stock, install it (breaking the law) and uninstall it. I love the ATF.

July 20, 2010, 02:04 PM	#6
ISC Junior member Join Date: August 5, 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,982	I bet Choate would be happy to tell you the diminsions. I'd just buy it and measure it after it came in.

July 21, 2010, 09:54 AM	#7
Icopy1 Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 415	I called Choate. The stock in its extended position will add 10" to the weapon in its current state. Now, all I need to do is get my Chief LEO's signature and I am good to go.