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June 29, 2008, 08:34 PM | #151 |
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La France,
its a true story, i remember it making the news a while back, yes, he shot through the house and it still had enough left to kill his wife. back on topic - carry something that is comfortable so you won't leave it at home and a get a gun that you are confident with. Caliber is not a primary consideration.
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June 29, 2008, 09:10 PM | #152 | |
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I see we have a fairly new member if he doesn't know about using the gun to mount the TV dish. |
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The WTC attacks unmasked much about the mindless tendency of many; namely "it cannot happen here" syndrome... It's very germane to this conversation. It may be a reach for some but depending on your view of what transpired we were totally unprepared. That is the point. Many (on both sides of this little "debate") haven't truly thought about their safety much. No, they don't "know something I don't". Don't expose yourself, please. Perhaps what you've experienced is EXACTLY what you describe. What I do is something wholly different, but in your omniscience you know ALL about how I approach customers... And, no, I don't know more than anyone about their situation (only a fool wouldn't ask them now would they prior to assisting them picking out a firearm ). You may need to drop the assuming about something/someone you know precious little about.
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June 29, 2008, 10:43 PM | #154 |
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I live in a nice suburb.
I work at the largest jail/justice complex in the south. It's in Memphis-one of the murder and crime capitals of the country, thank you. I have seen tanks on Main Street (1968), and martial law/National Guard troops several times during riots. Gang thugs are everywhere. I have experienced things you can't imagine. I am COMPLETELY prepared for most anything. I simply carry a .32 as my primary gun. I keep others handy at all times. Your gun customers, like you, will have to figure it out for themselves. Good equipment makes carrying a big gun more comfortable, but not as comfortable as my .32. |
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We agree - everyone will have to come to his/her own level of preparedness responsibility and comfort.
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June 30, 2008, 02:33 AM | #156 |
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How much does size matter?
There's I think a false sense of security that get's inadvertantly
promoted, when people focus so much on 'caliber size' and 'the percentage of one-stop kills...' The .357 mag. gets a sterling reputation for being a true manstopper ie. a 125gr.hollowpoint .357 gets the reputation of almost being a kind of super bullet. In reality ,however, the .357mag. is far from being a magic bullet - and in a snubbie, it's a bit brutal in regard to recoil and muzzle blast. What gets overlooked in a lot of discussions about caliber effectiveness - is the reality of self defense. It's easy to demonstrate how one might eliminate a target with the right weapon and caliber, but the very hard part of the equation is being able to demonstrate how someone is going to be able to actually grab a weapon and use it effectively in a self defense situation. I can shoot targets at the range all day, but in the real world when my attacker has surprised me a bit...and he's only 5 ft. away from me - I need self-defense skills that revolve more around my ability to come up quickly with a concealed weapon rather than the tactics that just revolve around the size of the bullet chambered. The .25acp and good tactical skills trumps a .357mag. and poor tactical skills. If the bad guy see's the print of my full-size auto or my midsized revolver and takes it away from me - it does me no good. The tiny gun in my pocket might be the best weapon to have. If I can use it with skill, then it might make sense to carry it frequently. The .25acp is not my nightstand gun, and it's not the gun I take in the great outdoors. The .25acp , however, is the little gun that I am carrying when you think I'm not carrying anything at all. Yeah, when I'm dressed like that cop in short pants on RENO 911, the .25acp is what's in my pocket. |
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"Yeah, when I'm dressed like that cop in short pants on RENO 911, the .25acp is what's in my pocket."
Um, thanks for that mental image... I hadn't had any nightmares recently... |
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I think one of two things: 1.) The story got garbled; he was outside and his wife was inside, or 2.) He wasn't trying to mount the dish inside, he was trying to make a hole for the cable, and was too lazy to get out the drill. I think 2.) makes more sense.
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By your own words you know a civilian gun use event is "rare". Still you carry. I prepare for both rare and very rare. Seems much less a gap than needing the gun to begin with. You OTOH prepare for rare but not very rare....that seems hypocritical. Especially when the difference is only a few ounces away. |
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I'll carry a bigger gun on a the rare "if "when folks who say "you need one" wear lightning rods on their head
WildthatsrareAlaska TM I don't need any gun. I chose to carry one on an if basis. I chose to be comfortable when I do it. I carry one based on probablities. My probabilities don't require a 1911....but if Im walking in the park, my probablities would require a shotgun but I will chose a 44....life is all about choices |
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I carried a Hi-Standard .22Mag double-derringer for a few years. I know fellers that have .25acp semi's they sometimes carry. but a .32acp isn't much larger and has more 'punch'. that's what I have now along with a Mak. both I practice with every so often, but not as often as I'd like (or likely need to).
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It's hard to believe that this thread generated 165 posts, but then, caliber wars appear to be never-ending anyhow .
At any rate, it's been going 'round and 'round the mulberry bush for some time now, and now it's starting... just starting, mind you, to take a downward turn. All threads have a life span, and this one's bordering on geriatric. Still, at 165 posts, I have to hand it to you guys for keeping it relatively civil. So, let's say good night to this one while we're still on the high road, and let it be remembered as one of the few this size that remained so . Closed.
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