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[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

I studied economy as well and graduated.
But I never worked for this crocked Systems since I am not an ignorant and concienceless ripp-off thug.
The Banking Crash 2008 was due to inequality and rich ripping off poor and the US-governement had to assume huge depths to bail out the rich. Read your own history. Frank Delano Roosevelt and his taxes to the rich of 92% of gross income in 1945. FDR once dead the rich said: never again, Charge the public depth account with that. From then the US depth has accumulated to staggering numbers. (FDR was NOT an comunist)
It's bad Business to be ignorant of realities. Righteousness has nothing to do with comunism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfNOWzCnbdQ&t=1415s

I shot today with the Revolver an Ostrich. 2nd shot hit from 40 meters and all other shots a miss.

Would not do this with an plastik pistol.

[TunnelRat]

I shot today with the Revolver an Ostrich. 2nd shot hit from 40 meters and all other shots a miss.

Would not do this with an plastok pistol.

First it was a hawk at 15-20 m, now an ostrich at 40 m. What do you have against birds?

And yes you would do it with a plastic pistol, if you were good.

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

Range time...

BTW, I reloaded all 7 whooping shots today I shot to the ostrich heard. They are here wild on grass lands. Normally 20 animals at once. They are beneficial...

[RoughDivider]

So basically you're saying with a longer sight radius and a better SA trigger you're able to make better shots? That's not shocking at all. As for me I have plenty of money to spend on training and range time and I could hit an ostrich at 40m with my polymer pistol no problem. They're a fairly decently sized target to boot. Your limitations aren't the limitations of other shooters and you need to stop preaching what works for you as the gospel truth for everyone else. The last couple months I've probably sent 800-1000 rounds downrange. I'm not rich by any means.

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

Holman Christian Standard Bible. 2 Timothy 4:2
Proclaim the Gospel; persist in it whether convenient or not; rebuke, correct, and encourage with great patience and teaching.

1000 rounds of 9mm Luger would cost here roughly 800 US$. You must be owning most certainly 20% of the Country being amongst of the upper class 1% since even in Canada at my time nobody would Shell out 800 bucks for ammo.

Yes that is correct: the light Trigger makes all the difference with one the Plastik pistol Triggers never can compete.
The Oldtimers knew to make good guns; an art which sometimes seems to be lost mostly.
The Beretta 92 Comes Close to an SAA Trigger as well; so that is a viable Option.

[TunnelRat]

1000 rounds of 9mm Luger would cost here roughly 800 US$.

In the US it would be $200.

You must be owning most certainly 20% of the Country being amongst of the upper class 1% since even in Canada at my time nobody would Shell out 800 bucks for ammo.

Idk what it costs for ammo in Canada, but my guess is not $800. See how what might cost a certain amount in one area isn't necessarily true in another? Having studied economics you should understand this.

Notice also that he said over a number of months, not all at once. He doesn't have to be anywhere near the upper 1% in the US to afford that. I'm not sure you really understand what kind of income those in the upper 1% of the US actually earn, but so you know they don't measure it in the hundreds.

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

Here in Southamerica the upper 1%, which by the way are the drug Lords, weigh the Money on a scale.

Some use 150 Kg scales and others use a truck scale (Kind of weigh Station for trucks on the high way).
They launder their Money through Beef, cattle production. That is why Beef from Southamerica is way overpriced. Beef and cattle means the laundered Money retains it's value.

Just that nobody in the US or Europe want's to have true (or do not know) this reality.

[TunnelRat]

Here in Southamerica the upper 1%, which by the way are the drug Lords, weigh the Money on a scale.

Just that nobody in the US or Europe want's to have true (or do not know) this reality.

Actually we have loads of movies and documentaries about that.

That still doesn't mean that in the US having $800 puts you in the upper 1%. Not by a long shot.

[ThomasT]

This thread has turned out to be hilarious! Please keep it up.

I have never heard such convoluted reasoning for not liking a style of gun. If you can't run with the big dogs then its best to stay on the porch.

[Leejack]

These guns are a great buy for self defense, lots of fun at the range too.

[ThomasT]

If and when Academy runs the SD9 on sale again I plan to pick one up to go with the SW9VE own now. I took an unloaded mag for the SW9VE in the store with me and they let me try the mag in the SD9 and it fit perfectly. I have 4 of these mags so that would be 3 for each gun. I am really impressed with the version of this gun I have. And the Academy exclusive looks even better.

[Ride Madone]

$244.00 at Grab a Gun after rebate.


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[ThomasT]

Ride Madone I checked Grabagun and they do not carry the same gun (SD9) as Academy. They do have good prices but I do not like the two tone look of the SD9VE. The one I have is the only SW9VE I have ever seen that is black on black. That was part of the appeal of the Academy only SD9. It is also black on black.

[jad0110]

A 7.5 to 8 lb SDxVE trigger is too heavy? Really???

Well, if you have arthritis I can understand. If not, man, get a Nagant revolver and shoot the heck out of it in double action. It will make everything else seem weightless . My SD9VE's trigger certainly does, I don't even feel the weight. What I DO feel is that it is spongy and a bit gritty. It has improved a lot with use though. I grade it as acceptable, as striker fired triggers go.

I actually prefer some weight to my triggers - S&W double action revolvers are by far my favorite, I am more consistent with them than anything. Smooth, with good clean breaks (usually). I dry fire my J Frame 642 almost every day - works wonders for your trigger control.

I love my SD9 though. Works perfectly, does exactly what it is supposed to do. Functions as well as a Glock or other similar guns, but I prefer the SD's ergos and price so for me it was an easy choice. I could care less that it didn't cost much, or that the polymer is shiny (not a more expensive looking matte finish).

YMMV.

[ThomasT]

What I DO feel is that it is spongy and a bit gritty.

Thats how mine felt. Except i replaced one spring with one slightly lighter and the gritty is gone. I did the youtube trigger job on mine and it really made a difference but I eventually put the two springs back in and replaced the heavier for a lighter spring. I would like to have a Glock but having one is not a lifes goal. I will someday find one for a price I am willing to pay. Besides I am a revolver guy.

I am rereading a book called "Glock, rise of Americas gun". Its an interesting read. When you find out Gastin Glock thinks Americans are stupid, that hiding money in shell corporations to avoid paying taxes to the U.S. and wineing and dineing gun companies in topless bars to sell guns you sort of have a different view of the guy. But he did come up with a heck of a gun. Glock did have problems with the lighter trigger that was rightly blamed on training so the 8LB New York trigger was added to some guns. And I guess S&W just decided to add a heavier trigger from the outset and play it safe. But I have strong hands. I can handle an extra 3LBs of trigger pull.

[NateKirk]

From what I understand, they are something akin to a Ford Escort; They work fairly well and do they're job, but I wouldn't be excited about driving one.

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

Here is a nice example of the Moral characteristics of Gaston Glock:

According to Business Week, “Allegations of corruption permeate Gaston Glock’s empire.” Alleged criminal acts (the bulk of which Glock denies or blames on past employees) reported by Business Week include:
•Creating a complicated series of shell companies to conceal the company’s profits from U.S. tax authorities.
•Distributing company funds to Glock employees and their wives with the understanding that the money would be distributed to congressional candidates—an apparent violation of U.S. election law.
•A murder attempt on Gaston Glock’s life found by the courts to have been engineered by his business partner Charles Ewert.
•Theft and embezzlement by Glock employees.

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-s..._b_287438.html

As well Wiki german says about Gaston Glock:

My own free Translation: A guy called Charles Ewert, known as well as "Panama-Charly" in an good old Mafia Fashion, one former Business associate of Gaston, hired Jacques Pecheur to murder Glock with a hammer. The reason were disputes about Glocks shadow Company UNIPATENT SA and the accusation of stealing.

Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaston_Glock
Panama = Panama Papers = Money laundering.
Make your own conclusion People.

What for wrecked morality those guys have. Reminds me of Latinamerican Moral Standards known as well as "smart businessman".
Dirty Jerk would be more appropiate.

[TunnelRat]

When you find out Gastin Glock thinks Americans are stupid, that hiding money in shell corporations to avoid paying taxes to the U.S. and wineing and dineing gun companies in topless bars to sell guns you sort of have a different view of the guy.

I've read the book too. I have no fond feelings for Glock as a person. But what you're describing wasn't out of the ordinary for the timeframe when that was all taking place. Heck I imagine fair amount still happens.

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

Here I found out that Glock has an margin of 68% (net win) from each Glock sold.

Simpler than most pistols, the Glock costs relatively little to make. In a 1994 patent lawsuit in the U.S., Glock estimated its profit margin per pistol at 68%. The guns typically sell for $450 to $600 in U.S. retail gun stores. The Glock's polymer frame is formed from a mold, not from the more conventional tooled steel.

Source https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ath-to-profits

Since in another forum (Austrian forum Pulverdampf) I read Glock has its own mines for steel now, I assume the net win margin may have risen to between 75% to 80% for each pistol.
Children miners and slave work pays!

So each Glock or any polymer pistol can be sold very well for 137$ to 150$ with an reasonable win margin based on its actual price of over 550$ at Academys. Any polymer pistol NEVER should price more than 200$ and should be normally at 150$.

[TunnelRat]

Any polymer pistol NEVER should price more than 200$ and shoul be normally at 150$.

Good luck with that.

[TunnelRat]

Your math doesn't work out

Let's say Glock is making 80% profit on each pistol, then

1.8*x = $500
x = $278
The numbers you're describing would be selling the pistol at a loss...

Now that's of course if Glock was selling directly to the market, which they aren't. There are middlemen obviously, so let's say the markup from the distributor and the retailer is 30% combined.

So 1.3*x = $500
x = $385

That's a guess at the price Glock sells to the retailer for.

Then we go back to

1.8*x = $385
x = $214

So even after including markup from the middlemen and assuming Glock is making an 80% profit (which we don't know for sure but okay I'll bite) and I get a cost per gun of still $214. So some of the numbers you're quoting are still below cost even by your own assumptions.

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

No.

550$ = 100%
x = 20%
x = 110$ is the cost price for Glock if theyhave an margin of 80% (20% is their production cost).
110$ + 30% Mark Up= 110 +33= 143$ this includes an Mark Up for Glock of 30%.

The price of 550$ for a plastik pistol is a pure ripp off to the consumer.

[TunnelRat]

550$ = 100%
x = 20%
x = 110$ is the cost price for Glock if theyhave an margin of 80% (20% is their production cost).

I don't think this is right.

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

As long as 2 x 2 =4 numbers dont lie.

[TunnelRat]

As long as 2 x 2 =4 numbers dont lie.

Lol, generating numbers and generating the right numbers isn't the same thing. Your math is right, I just don't think it's as simple as $550x0.2