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Old June 21, 2021, 11:24 AM   #1
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Does this recoil any worse than a 22LR?

My next project; getting a rifle ready to go to Africa for a Big 3 hunt, in this case using a 400 gr dangerous game roundnose in 416 Weatherby Magnum. Never fired anything quite this powerful before.

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Old June 21, 2021, 12:31 PM   #2
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Well, you will shade my 416 Rem Mag by about 300 fps. I imagine that will loosen your fillings. Seriously, I think your biggest issue could be bullets. In anything besides solids, make sure the bullet is rated for that velocity. I've been doing load workups shooting the Rem Mag out of one of the new Portuguese Model 70s off the bench. Yeah, it's no 22 (or 338 Win Mag), but it is shootable.
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Old June 21, 2021, 01:10 PM   #3
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Looks like it might thump a bit.

What are your plans for the rifle?
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Old June 21, 2021, 02:05 PM   #4
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The rifle and cartridge are going up against a rhino inside of 100 yds. This is Weatherby's own high velocity 400 gr norma roundnose. This cartridge makes even my 338 lapua magnum look a bit diminutive. Oh--I didn't make it clear-- I'm not personally going, I'm doing this for a friend who likes me tuning his rifles.
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Old June 21, 2021, 02:15 PM   #5
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Weatherby ammo? That's no fun. Shoot up the commercial for practice, and get to work with some nice slow powder and some Swift A-frames!
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Old June 21, 2021, 02:40 PM   #6
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Weatherby ammo? That's no fun. Shoot up the commercial for practice, and get to work with some nice slow powder and some Swift A-frames!
I've worked up some really good loads in the past for 270 and 300 Weatherby and I have shot their premium factory ammo for these other calibers and generally it is very good, I especially like their partition loads. It's important to me to get as close as I can to tuning everything for exactly what he'll be using and doing with it. He's getting advice from his professional guide on what to use--I assume the norma roundnose is up to the task over the ttsx solid monolithic which is the other choice.
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Keep the rifle tight, very tight, in your shoulder. I set one up once for a fellow who went by Kastaway Kulis (Joe Kulis) for an Alaskan hunt. Thank God I had it sighted in after 10 rounds. I was close at 5 and the scope shifted so I had to torque it down again. I have small shoulders with little meat and I can honestly say it was the most punishing rifle I have ever shot. So yeah, just a tad more than a 22 rimfire. If you have to scope it make sure you torque the scope to specifications and I used Loctite blue.

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Old June 21, 2021, 04:39 PM   #8
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Keep the rifle tight, very tight, in your shoulder. I set one up once for a fellow who went by Kastaway Kulis (Joe Kulis) for an Alaskan hunt. Thank God I had it sighted in after 10 rounds. I was close at 5 and the scope shifted so I had to torque it down again. I have small shoulders with little meat and I can honestly say it was the most punishing rifle I have ever shot. So yeah, just a tad more than a 22 rimfire. If you have to scope it make sure you torque the scope to specifications and I used Loctite blue.

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I have a 375 ruger which is a bit of a thumper--it too you have to draw tight or else might get sucker-punched between the eyes by the scope. I am definitely going to double check everything on the 416 Weatherby to make sure it can take the recoil punishment (hopefully I can too) though I doubt he'll take more than a few shots with it. I think we're setting a zero of 80 yards. Guy has nerves of steel to be taking dangerous game that close, especially if it's charging.
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My .450 Marlin (Winchester Timber Carbine) tends to give me some love above the eyebrow if I don't pay attention. Only gun I've owned that has given me a scope cut. Post pics, I'll likely never go back to Africa (work related) but I'd love to see your friends hunt.
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I recently acquired a .375 H&H CZ, shot 20 rounds 300 grain SP at 2590 fp/s. Kicks nearly twice as hard as a 12 gauge shotgun, standing. I have yet to shoot it from the bench, but I'm really not looking forward to it.
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My .450 Marlin (Winchester Timber Carbine) tends to give me some love above the eyebrow if I don't pay attention. Only gun I've owned that has given me a scope cut. Post pics, I'll likely never go back to Africa (work related) but I'd love to see your friends hunt.
I'll ask him if it's OK, if he's up for it I'll post.
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That's pretty much the same as the 375 ruger--just pull in and even from the bench reasonably manageable recoil. though I wouldn't want to shoot it all day (done 10 shots in one sitting).
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Old June 21, 2021, 05:29 PM   #12
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Shoot it in the 22lr challenge everyone is talking about and let us know how it does. LOL
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Old June 21, 2021, 06:12 PM   #13
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Shoot it in the 22lr challenge everyone is talking about and let us know how it does. LOL
Bwa ha haha--probably would win.
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Old June 21, 2021, 08:01 PM   #14
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I just took my first look at the rifle--very nice Mark 5 select grade stock. It looks like it has those twist lock base/rings which I personally am not very fond of, especially on higher recoiling weatherbys. It looks like it's been fired very few times judging by the absence of any notable wear on the bolt lugs and breech face. It also looks like it has never been cleaned, with multiple layers of carbon and copper in the bore. Has a Swarovski 1.5 x 6 x 42 scope which looks like a good choice for the job of a scope that needs to be brought to bear quick without needing to fiddle with anything. Turrets are metric though.
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Old June 21, 2021, 09:20 PM   #15
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Does this recoil any worse than a 22LR?
Not really. You should be able to fire a box of 50 of those and do it again the next day just like you can with 22LR.


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Old June 22, 2021, 01:38 AM   #16
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Never fired a 416 Weatherby, but I've fired 378 Weatherby, 416 Remington and 416 Rigby, so no, it won't recoil any worse than a good 22LR.

Sounds like somebody's bored and wants to take it out on poor sad-eyed soft fuzzy beasties. You should know better, stagpanther. If you feel bad, I'll do it for you. You provide the ammo, please.

I haven't been to Africa yet (thanks, COVID), but a customer of mine that goes every couple of years just takes his 338 anymore. One rifle, easier to get through customs with, and kills everything just dead. I was just going to take my 375 if I had actually made it last year.
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LOL That's how I got my 8mm Rem Mag years ago. Like-new, Leupold 3.5-10, 3 boxes of factory ammo minus 3 rounds. It kicked like a tame mule. Guy I got it from must not have been into physical abuse.
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Old June 22, 2021, 04:47 AM   #17
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From what I've read, the .416's are pretty much agreed upon as the ideal caliber for big 5 hunts. I've often wondered with the right bullet, like a Maker, Woodleigh or Lehigh--something like the 338 LM would be deadly on even the toughest big 5--even at longer ranges. It's really a comparatively soft recoiling cartridge for so much power IMO. But 400 grs of .416 traveling at 2700 fps--that's got to be "persuasive."
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Old June 22, 2021, 05:02 AM   #18
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I really like the ergonomics of the stock, they give you a nice flat on the bottom of the foreend to rest on something while still maintaining a good hold. The 9 lug bolt is massive, the only thing that gives me pause for thought is the rather dinky looking AR style extractor--but I'm not the one taking the shot at the animal so what do I know. I've never taken a Weatherby radial 9 lug bolt apart so I don't know what the internal construction features are. This particular rifle I'm going to get the bore clean (that's a major battle so far, that stuff is really baked in hard) and double check the optics mount. I personally don't like the rings, they remind me of Leupold's standard rings and I'm guessing the rifle even in a padded case is going to take a lot of jarring just getting to the hunt.
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So, as an aside, which Big 5 are you going for? Leopard/lion/buffalo/rhino/elephant was the traditional Big 5, but some are substituting hippo for rhino and other replacements. With the restrictions imposed by CITES treaty restrictions on importing leopard, rhino and elephant parts I would ask if it's really worth the hassle?
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So, as an aside, which Big 5 are you going for? Leopard/lion/buffalo/rhino/elephant was the traditional Big 5, but some are substituting hippo for rhino and other replacements. With the restrictions imposed by CITES treaty restrictions on importing leopard, rhino and elephant parts I would ask if it's really worth the hassle?
AsI said, it's not me but my friend who is going after rhino. He's accelerated the trip because of the looming ban on taking them. He already has taken the rest of the big 5--actually big 7 which includes the big bears. The only one he won't take is elephant, even he draws the line there.
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They don't kick bad at all in the Wby Mark V rifle. Although I never shot a 416 WBY, I have shot 460 WBY several hundred times and it was not at all objectionable. 416 in same rifle should be a breeze.
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They don't kick bad at all in the Wby Mark V rifle. Although I never shot a 416 WBY, I have shot 460 WBY several hundred times and it was not at all objectionable. 416 in same rifle should be a breeze.
I'm not that worried about the felt recoil, although it is "up there" just shy of 100 ft lbs. I need to zero and "accurize" the rifle as best I can, I figure my friend has only a couple of shots at best if he's face to face with a rhino inside 100 yds that objects to being shot at. I'm actually looking forward to firing it. Getting the bore clean is proving to be difficult--even though it hasn't been shot many times it's never been cleaned--so successive layers of copper and carbon have created a difficult "layered cake." I've been working on it for a couple of days--and have discovered a couple of stubborn thickish patches of brass right near the muzzle, when I asked my friend about it he said he did use brass solids to take a polar bear with (in his opinion the polar bear is one of the most dangerous game animals of all to hunt). The other thing that bothers me is the twist lock scope rings, I've never liked that design on heavier recoiling rifles but Weatherby folks have told me not to worry about it. The shop he buys his rifles from likes to lok-tite and torque down mount and ring screws hard, and I always dread the possibility of having one of the mount screw heads stripping out. Seems to be an unwritten covenant between mount manufacturers to use soft steel mount screws.
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Just got back from my first firing after finally getting the bore clean--that turned out to be a monumental task. I decided to shoot off of a front rest kneeling since I figure my friend will not be shooting off a bench when out in the bush. Here's my very first group after bore sighting--the very first shot is the one touching the target center orange dot. The next few wandered a bit, probably a combination of me moving and the barrel heating up very fast since I didn't really wait all that long between shots.

The good news, the recoil is only a bit more than that of a 22lr, I was happy about that. Seriously, not nearly as bad as you would believe from popular literature. More of a kicker than a shover, and I was pleasantly surprised that there was no notable muzzle lift, easily enabling a quick follow-up shot. Bad news is when I got back home I checked the bore and fouling is horrendous, massive copper slicks up and down almost the entire length of the bore. Cleaning it is not fun, that's the main reason I'm reluctant to shoot it again. I only have one box of ammo which I think has now topped over $200.00 a box or ten dollars a shot.

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Well, your work is done. The rest is up to your friend now.

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