Police say vehicle is an "arm"

cjwils · January 29, 2016, 06:07 PM

Dearborn Michigan: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...%2Fin-the-news

If a vehicle is an arm, then wouldn't the second amendment apply to vehicles? The implications seem huge; think about licensing, insurance, et cetera, and how to equate vehicles and firearms. On the other hand, maybe the police are over reaching with the claim that the woman in this situation was "armed" with a vehicle.

Armed_Chicagoan · January 29, 2016, 06:10 PM

I guess it depends how you're using it. A screwdriver, for example, is just a screwdriver but the minute you use it to break into someone's house it's a burglary tool.

gyvel · January 29, 2016, 06:12 PM

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I guess it depends how you're using it. A screwdriver, for example, is just a screwdriver but the minute you use it to break into someone's house it's a burglary tool.

For that matter, you could stab somebody with a screwdriver

turkeestalker · January 29, 2016, 06:42 PM

Never mind, it was inappropriate.

wogpotter · January 29, 2016, 07:14 PM

Lets face it, more deer have been killed by a car at 40MPH then a bullet at 2850FPS!

dakota.potts · January 30, 2016, 12:37 AM

All things can be considered an arm if you arm yourself with it. In Florida, a folding pocket knife is not a weapon but becomes one when used in the commission of a crime.

The second amendment does protect arms for the purpose of maintaining the ability to form militias, I do have to wonder if that would extend to equipment designed for such a use such as specialty vehicles

johnwilliamson062 · January 30, 2016, 09:35 AM

Add in a modern warfare requires mobility of motorized vehicles and off we go

Good luck on that one though. I won't be contributing to the court case.

**44 AMP** · January 30, 2016, 11:15 AM

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If a vehicle is an arm, then wouldn't the second amendment apply to vehicles?

No.

Not in your wildest dreams. The phrase "armed with" is widely used in English, and is applied to things ranging from physical items to ideas and beliefs.

A car can be a weapon, if so used, so can a candlestick, in the library, Col Mustard.

A reporter repeating what a police spokesperson says does not make something a fact. It just makes it "news".

Don't overthink it.

g.willikers · January 30, 2016, 11:34 AM

On weapons, source unknown.
"It's not what's in your hand, but what's in your heart."

TXAZ · January 30, 2016, 11:43 AM

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If vehicle is an arm, then wouldn't the second amendment apply to vehicles?

Then we should all be able to build our own nuclear weapons to use as conversation pieces?

I see the need for "a line" somewhere somewhere short of personal global nuclear war, but it's a really really slippery slope.
And unfortunately it's not clear what's in everyone's heart as GW noted.

**OldMarksman** · January 30, 2016, 11:59 AM

Frankly, the reported opinion of Michigan State Police First Lt. Michael Shaw regarding whether the woman was "armed" does not mean at all anything from a legal standpoint.

Nor does it really impinge in any way on whether the shooting was justified.

The question "wouldn't the Second Amendment apply to vehicles" seems pointless.

seeker_two · January 30, 2016, 02:10 PM

Why not? You could even make the case that a car is a reproductive aid and cover it under Obamacare.....

**44 AMP** · January 30, 2016, 02:36 PM

ok, when we get to reproductive silliness in L&CR, we're done.

Closed.

January 29, 2016, 06:07 PM	#1
cjwils Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2010 Location: Washington state Posts: 401	Police say vehicle is an "arm" Dearborn Michigan: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...%2Fin-the-news If a vehicle is an arm, then wouldn't the second amendment apply to vehicles? The implications seem huge; think about licensing, insurance, et cetera, and how to equate vehicles and firearms. On the other hand, maybe the police are over reaching with the claim that the woman in this situation was "armed" with a vehicle. Last edited by cjwils; January 29, 2016 at 06:09 PM. Reason: grammer

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dakota.potts Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Location: Keystone Heights, Florida Posts: 3,084	All things can be considered an arm if you arm yourself with it. In Florida, a folding pocket knife is not a weapon but becomes one when used in the commission of a crime. The second amendment does protect arms for the purpose of maintaining the ability to form militias, I do have to wonder if that would extend to equipment designed for such a use such as specialty vehicles __________________ Certified Gunsmith (On Hiatus) Certified Armorer - H&K and Glock Among Others You can find my writings at my website, pottsprecision.com.

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g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	On weapons, source unknown. "It's not what's in your hand, but what's in your heart." __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

January 29, 2016, 06:10 PM	#2
Armed_Chicagoan Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2013 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 776	I guess it depends how you're using it. A screwdriver, for example, is just a screwdriver but the minute you use it to break into someone's house it's a burglary tool.

January 30, 2016, 09:35 AM	#7
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	Add in a modern warfare requires mobility of motorized vehicles and off we go Good luck on that one though. I won't be contributing to the court case.

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OldMarksman Staff Join Date: June 8, 2008 Posts: 4,022	Frankly, the reported opinion of Michigan State Police First Lt. Michael Shaw regarding whether the woman was "armed" does not mean at all anything from a legal standpoint. Nor does it really impinge in any way on whether the shooting was justified. The question "wouldn't the Second Amendment apply to vehicles" seems pointless.

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seeker_two Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2002 Location: Deep in the Heart of the Lone Star State (TX) Posts: 2,169	Why not? You could even make the case that a car is a reproductive aid and cover it under Obamacare.....

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44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,814	ok, when we get to reproductive silliness in L&CR, we're done. Closed. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.