Bad deal all over

cloud8a · June 30, 2009, 01:59 PM

Saw this story on CNN. This seems to be a situation that kept dominoing.
http://www.4029tv.com/cnn-news/19902903/detail.html

Brian Pfleuger · June 30, 2009, 02:02 PM

Now there's a good example of a guy who should have been in jail long before this event. "Order of protection", please, the only purpose of those is to add an additional charge after someone gets killed.

BillCA · June 30, 2009, 02:22 PM

Synopsis:

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Police say they got to 26-year-old Jill Ulmer's Fayetteville apartment Friday night as the suspect was stabbing her.

Officers said they were trying to stop 41-year-old Ricky Anderson from killing his ex-girlfriend when they opened fire into the apartment.

Monday, the Fayetteville Police Department said one of those gunshots fired by an officer actually hit Ulmer and is listed as her cause of death, along with multiple stab wounds.

I feel bad for the officers involved. But then, had they held their fire, it's likely the young woman would have died from the stab wounds anyhow.

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That's awful, but I don't think they had another choice," Kearney said.

Neighbors said police did everything they could to stop what was happening.

At least the local citizens seem to be level-headed about it. But I'm sure in the days ahead some lawyer will try to make money off of this. Or the suspect's attorney will claim the bullet, not the stab wounds, killed the girl.

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Domestic violence experts said Ulmer's killing is an eye-opener.

I don't know quite what to make of that statement. Eye opening in what way?
* That hundreds of similar cases play out every year?
* That Anderson ignored that "protective order" like so many others?
* That police actually arrived while the crime was in progress?
* That the police couldn't save her (like the over 13,000 other murder victims every year?)
* Or that it happened in their back yard?

easyG · June 30, 2009, 02:26 PM

This is a good example of why you should never just assume that an intruder in your home is just there to steal stuff, or wait until he actually threatens you before talking action.

Evan Thomas · June 30, 2009, 03:21 PM

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...the suspect's attorney will claim the bullet, not the stab wounds, killed the girl.

I don't think that would make a difference in this case; Mr. Anderson was committing a felony, the victim died -- I think he'd be charged with the murder in pretty much any jurisdiction, regardless of the actual cause of death.

Wait, I'm Reloadin' · June 30, 2009, 03:28 PM

once again a gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone, this is sad

TailGator · June 30, 2009, 03:31 PM

Murder in the second degree? Breaking into her house with a knife doesn't demonstrate premeditation? Or did the autopsy result get the assailant a lesser charge?

Glenn E. Meyer · June 30, 2009, 03:40 PM

I'm sorry, folks - this is terrible but how is it a tactics and training issue?

Protective orders or missed shots without some real knowledge of the tactical process in this one aren't making the mark.

No offense but crime of the week isn't our purpose. If a later threat can make some specific T and T issue, let us know.

BTW, Pax asked the rest of the us to look in here - so that's why I'm being such a busybody.

GEM

June 30, 2009, 01:59 PM	#1
cloud8a Senior Member Join Date: April 27, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 399	Bad deal all over Saw this story on CNN. This seems to be a situation that kept dominoing. http://www.4029tv.com/cnn-news/19902903/detail.html

June 30, 2009, 02:02 PM	#2
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Now there's a good example of a guy who should have been in jail long before this event. "Order of protection", please, the only purpose of those is to add an additional charge after someone gets killed. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

June 30, 2009, 03:40 PM	#8
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	I'm sorry, folks - this is terrible but how is it a tactics and training issue? Protective orders or missed shots without some real knowledge of the tactical process in this one aren't making the mark. No offense but crime of the week isn't our purpose. If a later threat can make some specific T and T issue, let us know. BTW, Pax asked the rest of the us to look in here - so that's why I'm being such a busybody. GEM __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

June 30, 2009, 02:26 PM	#4
easyG Junior member Join Date: August 30, 2004 Location: Right here! Posts: 972	This is a good example of why you should never just assume that an intruder in your home is just there to steal stuff, or wait until he actually threatens you before talking action.

June 30, 2009, 03:28 PM	#6
Wait, I'm Reloadin' Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2008 Posts: 130	once again a gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone, this is sad

June 30, 2009, 03:31 PM	#7
TailGator Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,787	Murder in the second degree? Breaking into her house with a knife doesn't demonstrate premeditation? Or did the autopsy result get the assailant a lesser charge?