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July 9, 2009, 04:44 PM | #1 | |
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Bullet from dropped gun hits woman in bathroom stall
This is under Tactics and Training as evidently this lady was not trained well and was not using good tactics. Anyone know what kind of handgun she had?
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July 9, 2009, 06:11 PM | #2 |
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Man, oh man, I will bet dollars to donuts that the gun did not go off as a result of "hitting the ground." Few guns will actually do this anyway.
My guess is that either it dropped and she tried to catch it, pulling the trigger by mistake OR she just neglected to follow the four rules. But, I gotta say, getting shot on the john is newsworthy for sure.
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July 9, 2009, 07:13 PM | #3 |
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They put that hook on the inside of the door for a reason.
I always hang my Glock on the hook and leave my BUG in my pocket. |
July 9, 2009, 08:46 PM | #4 | |
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http://www.redorbit.com/news/odditie...f_in_bathroom/ I know of other examples where similar negligent discharges have happened - one in particular where a LEO put his 1911-format firearm on the hook in a bathroom stall, and unbeknownst to him the safety had disengaged. He wrapped his hand around the grip to remove the pistol, caught the trigger with the hook, and the gun then proceeded to discharge its entire magazine as the rebounding of the gun under recoil kept the trigger bouncing against the hook. Can't find the writeup, however. |
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July 9, 2009, 08:50 PM | #5 |
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Seat cover holder, Handicap handrails, or better yet, keep it in the holster... I don't have a holster that will allow any of my handguns to fall out. If for some reason, one were to, I have all confidence that if it hit the ground at less then 2 stories it wouldn't discharge so long as I don't touch it on the way down.
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July 9, 2009, 08:57 PM | #6 | |
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It could be a striker fired .25/.22 that WILL fire if dropped. Or a NAA .22 derringer with a round under the hammer, or something like that. Who knows what kind of gun she packed. In CHL classes I've always had a part of the class on bathroom decorum. And yes, part of it is how to take care of the weapon before you take care of business.
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July 9, 2009, 09:55 PM | #7 |
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Many handguns, not all of them small or small caliber, can fire if dropped. I knew a man who accidentally shot himself when an old type Ruger .44 Magnum slipped out of his holster when the got into his truck. The bullet went up through the inside of his thigh, fortunately not hitting bone, but he still walks with a limp. Had the bullet struck his pelvis it would have crippled him; had it struck further in, it would have killed him.
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July 9, 2009, 10:14 PM | #8 |
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CSMSSS, you don't hang the gun on the hook, you hang the holster or holster & belt on the hook.
I wear a paddle holster. It takes 10 seconds to pull off the belt, slip the holster on and hang them up. I'm sure some folks could screw this up. They shouldn't be armed. |
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July 9, 2009, 10:39 PM | #10 |
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I wouldn't doubt she is charged and a possiable lose of her CCW and or gun perhaps both. What a bummer for both parties.
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July 11, 2009, 12:20 AM | #11 |
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Think of all the people carrying now and then take into prespection how rare these problems happen, but when they do happen, the media loves to blow it up as much as they can!
Humans are failable, so these things will happen, all we can do is reduce it as much as possible through education and training, and it doesn't take much to be safe. You should know how to carry and use your weapon, but it is also very important to know your weapon inside and out, and don't carry a weapon that can fire easily when dropped. It doesn't say what kind of gun she carried. Although there are many well made guns out there that this would not happen, there are plenty of crappy guns in circulation. |
July 12, 2009, 03:48 AM | #12 | |
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I heard the same thing, but the story differed slightly. The Negligent Discharge happend in an armory upon placing the (loaded, against good procedure) gun on a post and it was a 1911 pattern gun WITHOUT a grip safety, which would have prevented this. Not saying it couldn't happen; I'm sure it could. Not saying it didn't happen. I just wish I had place, time, name and references. Lost Sheep. |
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July 12, 2009, 08:41 AM | #13 | |
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July 12, 2009, 10:21 AM | #14 |
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It sure would be nice if there were no guns out there that would fire if dropped. Second best is for the owners of those guns to know of that possibility so they can avoid that circumstance. I'd like to know the make and model of the gun that discharged when dropped so I don't buy one.
The only personal experience with a discharge from a dropped gun in my life was scary. My older brother dropped his Ruger .357 mag 3 screw between us. It went off. Don't know where the bullet went. I was standing to his right. He was right handed. He said he missed his holster on his right side. The gun discharged less than foot from me. The 3 screw was a design prior to the transfer bar. The hammer's firing pin rested on the primer like the SAA Colts.
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July 12, 2009, 11:34 AM | #15 |
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I've found that the Weaver stance or bladed stance does not work well in the toilet, Unfortunately a Larry Craig wide stance works best.
I carry my Glock 27 in a paddle holster so that I can remove the entire apparatus and lower my pants without a thud (TMI, I know, but there is a point) This does not, however, "relieve" you of focus! Last winter I went into my teacher wife's school with her during a snow storm on a weekend. No one else around. She was working in her class when I felt a call. Went in the teacher's bathroom and removed my paddle holster. Didn't want to place it on the floor, looked around and found a place way up high on top of papertowel dispenser (flat). After finishing nature's call, I noticed a blizzard had obscured the world outside the bathroom window. I lost focus! Don't lose focus if you carry a handgun! I rushed to my wife's room. POwer had gone out. I said, "We gotta get out of here now!" We hurried outside and drove through drifts to get home, five miles away. My wife dropped me off at my horse barn so I could feed. She drove on home. As I was wading through snow to get to the house, I was struck by horror. No gun on my side! I'd left it on the paper towel dispenser----in a freaking school!!!!!!!!!! A capital crime in California! In a panic I called my wife told her to get back in the 4X4 and meet me. I raced back through a blizzard to that school, half expecting a local unit to be out in front because some other teacher arrived, found my piece and panicked, called the cops. Small town cops ran my Glock, found it was registered to me, retired big city LEO, and I'd be going to the stockade out of spite! Fortunately the WCS did not occur. Piece was safe and waiting for me on paper towel dispenser. But I learned a valuable lesson. You can learn from my mistake. Do not lose focus if you carry! |
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Deleted a few high noise/low signal posts.
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July 15, 2009, 11:34 AM | #19 |
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I once sat my piece on the sink while using the bathroom at my home, was washing my hands and knocked my pistol in to the toilet
accidents happen, jushed glad I had already flushed
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