Gave Suarez indicted? - Page 2

Marty Hayes · March 13, 2001, 09:11 AM

Never even been to Memphis. Happen to reside in WA State...

Internal politics knows no boundries.

VictorLouis · March 14, 2001, 04:37 PM

I have to agree with Marty, too. The only article that I read was the one linked by Tac Forums. It made no mention of his outside training business. It did mention Worker's Comp, and alledged fraud. I wish him well, and hope that he's vindicated.

RHC · March 14, 2001, 08:36 PM

I also wish him well.
For what it's worth, in most states you can receive workers' comp. for partial disability, which means you can still do some jobs, or for total disability, which is pretty much like the social security standard, no gainful employment. Most employers, if the worker is too disabled to do their job, don't worry if the guy can do some other light job, in other words they don't try to cut him off. (Social security will cut you off in an instant.) Maybe this particular employer is trying to cut costs and Mr. Suarez got caught between custom and the law as written.

Legionnaire · March 16, 2001, 02:00 PM

Any one have an update on this? Link to local news story?

EQP · March 16, 2001, 02:54 PM

Legionnaire,

The only link that I know of is the one posted earlier in this thread: http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s..._Continues.htm

amalgam · March 17, 2001, 03:17 AM

I read throught these, and it doesn't look good, IMO.

here's a critical point:

"Gabriel Suarez, a decorated 12-year veteran of the SMPD, also pled not guilty to two additional counts of perjury under oath. .......

The complaint states that in March Suarez said during a sworn deposition that he had not received any outside income since his alleged injury on Nov. 28, 1999 when he slipped and fell in the police department's locker room.

During the time he was on leave and collecting workers compensation, Suarez was running Suarez International, a Simi Valley based company with 12 employees, according to information obtained by The LookOut." (March refers to March, 2000)

http://santamonicapd.org/Press_Info/...307-Arrest.htm

http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...with_Fraud.htm

http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s..._Continues.htm

http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...e_Officers.htm

http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...e_Business.htm

http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...s_Responds.htm

http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...y_to_Fraud.htm

cuerno de chivo · June 7, 2001, 05:05 PM

Did he make out alright this or is it still going on?

TIA

EQP · June 8, 2001, 09:40 AM

It's still going on. The initial hearing got pushed back to this month so his lawyer would have time to go through all of the evidence against him. I wish him luck!

Edit>>

Here is the link to the latest on Gabe by the local paper: http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...with_Fraud.htm

Looks like the hearing is set for June 25th.

Gary H · June 12, 2001, 09:42 PM

The legal system is not about right and wrong. Many times it is about power and politics.

Also, you might be innocent, but you will surely go bankrupt proving it!

Triple D · June 12, 2001, 11:50 PM

Just because someone is "Disabled" doesn't mean they have to stop doing everything. Much of running a business is paperwork/deskwork anyway. When they thought I had a broken back, I stayed on the job...didn't move around as much, but I was still capable of teaching CQC (as long as I stayed on my feet and didn't kick). In fact, being gimped makes you stir crazy...if the pain isn't too bad, you still want to do something, if only to avoid being bored. If you are a small business owner, it is even more critical that one stay "on the job," since often no one is trained or prepared to run it in your absense for more than a few days.

DDD

Dave3006 · June 13, 2001, 10:33 AM

I met him at Frontsight. He is a great man. He was the type of person that made you proud to be an American. He escaped communism in Cuba. Unfortunately, the communists in Kalifornia are out to get him now.

I am praying for him.

Dave3006 · June 13, 2001, 10:45 AM

One last thought. I hurt my back about 3 years ago. I was a mess for 9 months. I can easily see why Gabe could teach and NOT operate as a cop. When you teach, you get to chose what you do and when you do it. If you are a cop, you are reacting to situations. The amount of movement would be out of your control. Sometimes, this country makes me sick.

Glockster35 · June 16, 2001, 09:01 PM

I have only read articles he has written in the Rags, but I for one would be contacting anyone with ties to Mr. Suarez if I had any information in his favor.

I would gladly appear in court to testify that he did not instruct on positions or anything else that might depict him as a cheat. But I would only testify if this were the case and I saw it first hand.

Stand up for this LE officer/instructor if you have any information that may be favorable to his pending case. I have a feeling he is not liked in the P.D. he worked for, just simply because he is a published writer, and probably more successful than the Chief of Police. Not to mention the other state and community hired help.

Captain · June 19, 2001, 02:45 PM

OK, How can we let Mr. Suarez know that we are in support of him? It will probably help him get thru this if he knows there are LOTS of people pulling for him! Does he have a web site? Can we get in touch with him thru it? I an in a similar position as him as far as the work problem goes. I am not able to perform my job due to an injury also.

EQP · June 19, 2001, 03:18 PM

http://www.gabesuarez.com/

Justin Moore · June 22, 2001, 04:19 AM

What a load of crap! I can EASILY see where Mr. Suarez could not discharge his duties as a police officer (and thus qualify for disability) and yet still teach a class. I hope he comes out on top of this, and is vindicated!

Josh · June 22, 2001, 10:42 AM

I am sure he will be cleared from this. The problem arises because with all the media attention some will shy away from him and his training.

EQP · June 22, 2001, 10:54 AM

Josh,

I think you are right on when you talk about the training aspect. I was set to take an instructor level course from him that was canceled. I must admit that my first reaction was to stay as far away from Gabe as possible with respect to training. I have since gotten a little bit smarter and am eagerly waiting a rescheduling of the class. I hope that Gabe pulls through this with his business and his life intact.

VictorLouis · June 22, 2001, 05:03 PM

Well, he just posted on GT today. I hope that's a good sign!http://glocktalk.com/docs/gtubb/Forum4/HTML/001552.html

Hard Ball · June 23, 2001, 01:58 PM

And Gabe is now posting on Hard Core Talk.

March 16, 2001, 02:54 PM	#30
EQP Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2000 Location: Schaumburg, IL Posts: 154	Legionnaire, The only link that I know of is the one posted earlier in this thread: http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s..._Continues.htm __________________ Evan, www.nitac.org Northern Illinois Tactical

March 17, 2001, 03:17 AM	#31
amalgam Member Join Date: April 3, 1999 Posts: 71	did some digging. I read throught these, and it doesn't look good, IMO. here's a critical point: "Gabriel Suarez, a decorated 12-year veteran of the SMPD, also pled not guilty to two additional counts of perjury under oath. ....... The complaint states that in March Suarez said during a sworn deposition that he had not received any outside income since his alleged injury on Nov. 28, 1999 when he slipped and fell in the police department's locker room. During the time he was on leave and collecting workers compensation, Suarez was running Suarez International, a Simi Valley based company with 12 employees, according to information obtained by The LookOut." (March refers to March, 2000) http://santamonicapd.org/Press_Info/...307-Arrest.htm http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...with_Fraud.htm http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s..._Continues.htm http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...e_Officers.htm http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...e_Business.htm http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...s_Responds.htm http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...y_to_Fraud.htm

June 7, 2001, 05:05 PM	#32
cuerno de chivo Junior member Join Date: July 6, 2000 Posts: 919	WEHT Gabe Suarez Did he make out alright this or is it still going on? TIA

June 8, 2001, 09:40 AM	#33
EQP Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2000 Location: Schaumburg, IL Posts: 154	It's still going on. The initial hearing got pushed back to this month so his lawyer would have time to go through all of the evidence against him. I wish him luck! Edit>> Here is the link to the latest on Gabe by the local paper: http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_s...with_Fraud.htm Looks like the hearing is set for June 25th. __________________ Evan, www.nitac.org Northern Illinois Tactical Last edited by EQP; June 11, 2001 at 09:45 AM.

June 12, 2001, 09:42 PM	#34
Gary H Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 2,267	The legal system is not about right and wrong. Many times it is about power and politics. Also, you might be innocent, but you will surely go bankrupt proving it! Last edited by Gary H; June 13, 2001 at 12:23 AM.

March 13, 2001, 09:11 AM	#26
Marty Hayes Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 1999 Posts: 244	Never even been to Memphis. Happen to reside in WA State... Internal politics knows no boundries.

March 14, 2001, 04:37 PM	#27
VictorLouis Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2000 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,302	I have to agree with Marty, too. The only article that I read was the one linked by Tac Forums. It made no mention of his outside training business. It did mention Worker's Comp, and alledged fraud. I wish him well, and hope that he's vindicated.

March 14, 2001, 08:36 PM	#28
RHC Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2000 Posts: 678	I also wish him well. For what it's worth, in most states you can receive workers' comp. for partial disability, which means you can still do some jobs, or for total disability, which is pretty much like the social security standard, no gainful employment. Most employers, if the worker is too disabled to do their job, don't worry if the guy can do some other light job, in other words they don't try to cut him off. (Social security will cut you off in an instant.) Maybe this particular employer is trying to cut costs and Mr. Suarez got caught between custom and the law as written.

March 16, 2001, 02:00 PM	#29
Legionnaire Senior Member Join Date: July 25, 2000 Location: Central TX Posts: 1,503	Any one have an update on this? Link to local news story?

June 12, 2001, 11:50 PM	#35
Triple D Junior Member Join Date: April 26, 2001 Location: USA Posts: 5	Working.... Just because someone is "Disabled" doesn't mean they have to stop doing everything. Much of running a business is paperwork/deskwork anyway. When they thought I had a broken back, I stayed on the job...didn't move around as much, but I was still capable of teaching CQC (as long as I stayed on my feet and didn't kick). In fact, being gimped makes you stir crazy...if the pain isn't too bad, you still want to do something, if only to avoid being bored. If you are a small business owner, it is even more critical that one stay "on the job," since often no one is trained or prepared to run it in your absense for more than a few days. DDD

June 13, 2001, 10:33 AM	#36
Dave3006 Senior Member Join Date: July 25, 2000 Location: Lake Forest, CA USA Posts: 493	I met him at Frontsight. He is a great man. He was the type of person that made you proud to be an American. He escaped communism in Cuba. Unfortunately, the communists in Kalifornia are out to get him now. I am praying for him.

June 13, 2001, 10:45 AM	#37
Dave3006 Senior Member Join Date: July 25, 2000 Location: Lake Forest, CA USA Posts: 493	One last thought. I hurt my back about 3 years ago. I was a mess for 9 months. I can easily see why Gabe could teach and NOT operate as a cop. When you teach, you get to chose what you do and when you do it. If you are a cop, you are reacting to situations. The amount of movement would be out of your control. Sometimes, this country makes me sick.

June 16, 2001, 09:01 PM	#38
Glockster35 Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2001 Location: Spangdahlem AB, Germany Posts: 223	I have only read articles he has written in the Rags, but I for one would be contacting anyone with ties to Mr. Suarez if I had any information in his favor. I would gladly appear in court to testify that he did not instruct on positions or anything else that might depict him as a cheat. But I would only testify if this were the case and I saw it first hand. Stand up for this LE officer/instructor if you have any information that may be favorable to his pending case. I have a feeling he is not liked in the P.D. he worked for, just simply because he is a published writer, and probably more successful than the Chief of Police. Not to mention the other state and community hired help.

June 19, 2001, 02:45 PM	#39
Captain Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2000 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 207	OK, How can we let Mr. Suarez know that we are in support of him? It will probably help him get thru this if he knows there are LOTS of people pulling for him! Does he have a web site? Can we get in touch with him thru it? I an in a similar position as him as far as the work problem goes. I am not able to perform my job due to an injury also. __________________ Captain

June 19, 2001, 03:18 PM	#40
EQP Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2000 Location: Schaumburg, IL Posts: 154	http://www.gabesuarez.com/ __________________ Evan, www.nitac.org Northern Illinois Tactical

June 22, 2001, 04:19 AM	#41
Justin Moore Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2000 Location: Right Here Posts: 854	What a load of crap! I can EASILY see where Mr. Suarez could not discharge his duties as a police officer (and thus qualify for disability) and yet still teach a class. I hope he comes out on top of this, and is vindicated! __________________ Democracy: A government of the masses, authority derived through mass meetings or any other form of direct expression; results in mobocracy; attitude toward property is communistic negating property rights; attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate whether it is based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences; its result is dem-o-gogism, license, agitation, discontent and anarchy. Republic: Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best suited to represent them. Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights and a sensible economic procedure. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles that establish evidence with a strict regard for consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass, it avoids the dangerous extremes of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice contentment and progress, is a standard for government around the world.

June 22, 2001, 10:42 AM	#42
Josh Member Join Date: January 31, 1999 Posts: 77	I am sure he will be cleared from this. The problem arises because with all the media attention some will shy away from him and his training.

June 22, 2001, 10:54 AM	#43
EQP Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2000 Location: Schaumburg, IL Posts: 154	Josh, I think you are right on when you talk about the training aspect. I was set to take an instructor level course from him that was canceled. I must admit that my first reaction was to stay as far away from Gabe as possible with respect to training. I have since gotten a little bit smarter and am eagerly waiting a rescheduling of the class. I hope that Gabe pulls through this with his business and his life intact. __________________ Evan, www.nitac.org Northern Illinois Tactical

June 22, 2001, 05:03 PM	#44
VictorLouis Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2000 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,302	Well, he just posted on GT today. I hope that's a good sign!http://glocktalk.com/docs/gtubb/Forum4/HTML/001552.html

June 23, 2001, 01:58 PM	#45
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	And Gabe is now posting on Hard Core Talk. __________________ "I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemeis domestic or foreign WHOMSOEVER."