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December 25, 2019, 09:17 PM | #1 | |
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MADDOW: NRA in Freefall
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I have to admit that none of what has been spread across the headlines as imploding leadership has given me a warm fuzzy. Worse, there appears to have been no effective proactive actions on the part of the organization at all And I also know that the now totally Democrat-controlled Virginia organs of government have vowed to run it out of the state. From those in the know... how much of this is manufactured/self-fulling media, and how much true immolation ? |
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December 25, 2019, 10:27 PM | #2 |
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Never been a fan of Wayne LaPierre and then add Ted Nugent and his antics as spokesperson and sorry no, I'm out. I was an NRA member for years and now haven't been one for more years than I was.
That doesn't mean I don't support the 2nd Amendment and gun owner's rights. Last edited by NobodyJones; December 25, 2019 at 10:32 PM. |
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There's another thread here somewhere about this. I don't doubt that the media is only gleefully showing the bad news. But I'm not sure there is any good news either. Wayne seems to be calling all the shots; the board of directors is afraid of him, and he thinks he's the emperor or something.
I've been a NRA member for almost 30 years. My dues are paid up thru the end of next year. If WLP is gone by then (of his own will, or hauled away in handcuffs for embezzlement and self-dealing, I don't care which) I might renew my membership. But not another dime until he's gone. I am still sending money to SAF.
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December 25, 2019, 11:12 PM | #4 |
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What is the SAF?
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December 25, 2019, 11:24 PM | #5 |
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Background: https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=601898
As far as NRATV, the primary purpose it served was to give NRA the cover of a “media organization” under the older campaign finance rules. After the Citizens United decision, there wasn’t much need for it if it wasn’t a separate, profit-producing media organization. It probably should have been ended earlier. As far as SAF, that would be the Second Amendment Foundation. The important difference between it and the NRA is the organizational structure. If you give money to SAF, then Alan Gottlieb can spend it anyway he wants. In 2013, he wanted to spend it supporting universal background checks at the federal level. NRA took a harder line in 2013; but they have problems as well. There are problems to both approaches. |
December 26, 2019, 07:49 AM | #6 |
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Support whichever pro-gun organization you want, but support a pro-gun organization! You alone mean diddly in the world of politics.
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December 26, 2019, 09:12 AM | #7 |
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I was a member for almost fifty years. I dropped out a couple of years ago due to the mismanagement and thievery going on within the organization. The elections are a joke and no one really has any say in anything. Those at the top considered it their piggy bank. I hope it gets squared away and I'd consider getting back in. I simply am at odds with their management, policies, and lack of planning for the reality of where we are today in this country. We're polarized politically in this country and the NRA seems to be supporting the polarization which just split their membership down the middle. Believe it or not, but there's millions of democrats who own guns, hunt, target shoot, and support the Second Amendment. You can't survive without them.
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December 26, 2019, 10:34 AM | #8 |
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My membership expires in 2022, I get notices in the mail to renew, every month or so?
But I will not renew. |
December 26, 2019, 10:59 AM | #9 |
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The fact this is heavily Conservative Fox News reporting this, in this manner, tells the tale of woe. Whenever you get folks that feel they are entitled and have to answer to nobody for their greed, you will get corruption. You will get folks that lose focus of their original intent and focus more on what they get out of it themselves. This is nuttin' new.
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December 26, 2019, 11:07 AM | #10 |
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^^Excellent post that should spread across America. Unfortunately everyone thinks that those in power who agree with their views are immune from this fact, you get blind loyalty.
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December 26, 2019, 12:17 PM | #11 |
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Fox News is just reporting what Rachel Maddow said. She is on MSNBC and satisfies Trump haters with constant rants that insult Trump and his supporters. The fact that Rachel Maddow said this suggests to me that the NRA is doing just fine, or at least is dealing with its problems.
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December 26, 2019, 03:22 PM | #15 | |
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And "support" does NOT simply include sending in some money Gun owners are so freaking lazy and apathetic it's appalling In all honesty, I blame gun owners MORE for the mess we are currently in than I do the left. In fact, I actually admire the game the left is playing, they are brilliant at it, they are effective, and they are winning. It sucks but it is our reality. On our current course the Second Amendment is as good as dead Could we change our course? Yes Will we change it? I don't know It is a bitter pill to swallow
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December 26, 2019, 04:56 PM | #17 | |
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Sorry bout that folks!
I got worked up over what the NRA has become Now reposting with more PG language Quote:
Is what you will often be told when espousing such on gun forums. I hear it all the time because I personally think the NRA does more harm than good... and I'm not afraid to say it. Wayne La Piew and the rest of their out of touch leadership can go pound sand May they all rot like the scum they are They prey on the fear and ignorance of gun owners in order to rake in big $$$$ while producing next to nothing in return. Correction... Wayne does get to fly himself and his family/friends around on private jets to the Caribbean, buy nearly half a million dollars worth of suits, multiple million dollar homes, etc, etc, so they produce extravagance for him and a select few. I've shifted all of my support to GOA and smaller, local fighters to protect the 2A
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December 26, 2019, 05:28 PM | #18 |
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If anyone is undecided... "Who should I support, the NRA or_____?"
Read this response from GOA/VCDL to AG Herring's opinion on Second Amendment Sanctuaries Then compare it to a typical NRA response If you dont want to read the whole thing, at least read the conclusion starting on page 11 READ HERE Outstanding!
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December 26, 2019, 05:44 PM | #19 |
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LaPierre has given everyone a reason not to like him. Unfortunately that reflects on the NRA as well.
Whether you like the NRA or not, they are still the best chance gun owners have to buck the democrats and liberals who want to disarm the population because they refuse to do anything about criminals. We will NOT be better off without the NRA. And if they do fail and cease to exist you can expect your 2nd Amendment rights to follow them. What other organization does as much to preserve the 2nd Amendment? What other organization spends as much towards pro-gun causes? There is more on the line than just your membership or dislike for LaPierre. |
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It isn't just Wayne
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The NRA is the lefts whipping boy, and they use its existence to effectively rally their base in a big way If/when the NRA falls (and I hope they do) I believe it could potentially be a catalyst for gun owners to finally get off their lazy, apathetic rear ends AND START FIGHTING. The NRA has been a crutch for a significant number of gun owners for far too long... "Oh I give money to the NRA so I'm fighting"...dErP Quote:
We are losing the fight (if anything by attrition alone) while they continue to get stronger. Quote:
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Further, if the NRA goes away does that mean the donation stream goes away? No it doesn't, especially if they are replaced by better. I have no clue what the VCDL or GOA have spent during recent months in VA, but they helped get more people involved than the NRA has done there in decades. And what does the NRA do? Do they join forces? NO Do they offer help? NO They swoop in after the fact (as they so often do) and try to grab the $$$ before the VCDL or GOA gets it all. And I guarantee that if this this end positively for VA 2A rights, no matter how small, the NRA will claim credit in order to try and raise even more $$$ I truly hope the NRA falls in a spectacular fashion as that might finally start to motivate "our side" into getting off their lazy behinds.
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Yes, the NRA has problems. Not problems as dire as those of the SPLC or the ACLU, but problems none the less. Abstaining from rights advocacy because you are disappointed in the primary electoral advocate for the right is puerile and ineffective. It may make some feel better, but politics aren't about one's feelings. Quote:
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The NRA has had a hand at the federal level in no legislation being produced, which is exactly the amount of legislation with which you might trust congress. It's great that you support the GOA. Advocacy support doesn't need to be a single choice and different organizations can play different roles. Hostility toward the biggest advocate because you think a minor one does a better job isn't a choice compelled by logic.
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Let's not forget the topic of this thread:
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The caller was a woman calling on behalf of the NRA. She said she was conducting a survey. (Hint: that's their standard gambit these days. It's always a survey -- a one-question survey with answers so obvious that you can tell immediately that they don't really care what you answer. They have you on the phone, and talking.) Immediately after the "survey," she launched into the real reason for the call (she didn't say that -- I said that): the fundraising pitch. But they've upped the ante. I'm accustomed to their asking for fifty bucks, then dropping to twenty-five and then fifteen if you don't sign on for fifty. Today she started at one hundred fifty dollars. That's as far as we went. I told her that under no circumstances would I donate any more money to the NRA as long as Wayne LaPierre remains as the Executive Vice President. She couldn't end the call fast enough. This, to me, shows desperation. Making fundraising calls on the evening following Christmas is desperate, insensitive, tone deaf -- however you choose to characterize it. The NRA IS in trouble. They know that Wayne LaPierre is toxic, but he is so well entranched that nobody can force him out, and he doesn't have to common decency to just retire [semi-] gracefully.
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Except for the fact that I stated no such thing
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There must be a tearing down to build back a strong organization. |
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December 27, 2019, 12:33 AM | #25 |
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If the NRA goes belly up, who cares? If it happens existing and/or new organizations will fill the void. Where do you think existing NRA donations will go?
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