|
Forum Rules | Firearms Safety | Firearms Photos | Links | Library | Lost Password | Email Changes |
Register | FAQ | Calendar | Search | Today's Posts | Mark Forums Read |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
January 17, 2013, 09:47 AM | #1 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 18, 1999
Location: MN
Posts: 640
|
Minnesota Sheriff Shows REAL Common Sense Re: 2A
A lot of the time we complain about elected officials overreaching their powers and trampling on the rights of citizens. So, it's really refreshing when one stands up, speaks his/her mind and actually makes sense, real honest to goodness common sense (not the "common sense" proposed by the Federal Government).
The following letter makes me proud to be a Minnesotan, and I'd love to move to Pine County. Quote:
(SOURCE) Sheriff Cole was interviewed this morning (1/17/13) on the Davis & Emmer radio show on KTLK 1130 AM and the audio of this is available (or will be later today) on iTunes Podcasts.
__________________
RN - ICU NRA - PATRON LIFE |
|
January 17, 2013, 10:10 AM | #2 |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 18, 2011
Location: 609 NJ
Posts: 705
|
I love this sheriff defiance! This is the 3rd I've seen.. other 2 being in oregon.
__________________
"...with liberty and justice for all." (Must be 21. Void where prohibited. Some restrictions may apply. Not available in all states.) |
January 17, 2013, 10:16 AM | #3 |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 11, 2012
Location: Braham, Minnesota
Posts: 1,314
|
Me to Brother.
I am just south of Pine county in Chisago county. I will have to find out what my Sheriff thinks on the matter. |
January 17, 2013, 11:33 AM | #4 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 18, 1999
Location: MN
Posts: 640
|
Quote:
I would guess that he's probably pretty strict and pursues crimes to the fullest that are within his jurisdiction. Enforcement of Federal 'powers' is not in his job description and he is affirming that to his constituency. Too often we see those in power extending their powers beyond their defined purview (SCOTUS creating law, CDC viewing guns in the same light as bacterium, Federal law evolving into criminal code, etc). That last parenthetical reference is extremely damaging, I believe. Originally, the Constitution and Federal law were a framework to prevent Federal powers from interfering with State sovereignty and individual freedoms, nothing more. It was up to the States to develop criminal codes and prosecute offenders. (At least, from what I remember from High School Am. History and Civics classes, but it's been awhile so I'm not 100% on that.)
__________________
RN - ICU NRA - PATRON LIFE |
|
January 17, 2013, 11:44 AM | #5 |
Senior Member
Join Date: August 8, 2012
Posts: 2,556
|
I have no problem with the CDC maintaining gun violence databases and studies. They do it with other crimes against persons as well. There are enough mental and "societal" health aspects they SHOULD study it.
|
January 17, 2013, 12:05 PM | #6 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 18, 1999
Location: MN
Posts: 640
|
JimDandy, my problem with the CDC's involvement is that they are defining gun ownership as equivalent to carrying disease, they are intentional framing it in a light that says 'ooo, icky, guns are like germs, they kill people, ewwww'.
I have no problem if the CDC was only studying violence in general as that is a manifestation of sickness and mental instability, but they don't focus on an 'epidemic of rape' or 'an epidemic of domestic assault' but they do focus on an 'epidemic of gun violence'. It's a tainted stance.
__________________
RN - ICU NRA - PATRON LIFE |
January 17, 2013, 12:51 PM | #7 |
Member
Join Date: December 19, 2012
Location: WNY
Posts: 18
|
The problem is the funders of the cdc study are anti gun. The last time the cdc studied gun violence they found that a gun in the home is more likely to kill a member of the household than it was an intruder. Those kind of studies only further the anti gun contingency and should not be funded.
|
January 17, 2013, 01:38 PM | #8 |
Senior Member
Join Date: August 8, 2012
Posts: 2,556
|
Actually they DO study domestic violence. When What's-his-name the KC Chief player snapped, I was able to point to statistics from their DV study in a debate. I also regularly point to the CDC studies. And find them less biased than the FBI, as the CDC calls it homicides, which theoretically include justifiable as well as criminal, while the FBI calls it murder.
As for more likely to kill a family member rather than an intruder, those studies SHOULD be funded, as long as they're scientific and reasonably unbiased/intellectually honest. And I wouldn't dispute that those likelihoods expressed are accurate. We are more likely to screw up than shoot an intruder. THat doesn't mean we shouldn't have them, just that we know we have to be careful and studies like that just reinforce the message. |
January 17, 2013, 01:39 PM | #9 |
Senior Member
Join Date: August 10, 2012
Location: Utah
Posts: 232
|
Call the Sheriff
I called Sheriff Cole to verify the story and to thank him personally.
I'm encouraging my public officials to be a little more outspoken where they can. They are the tip of the legal sword, and their voices might go a long way in turning away those who would blur the line between constitutional rights and usurpation of the law. - Smokiniron
__________________
"Figure Out What You Believe and STAND YOUR GROUND!" Nemo Me Impune Lacessit Lots of Cast Iron to Cook With... and a few defensive firearms, too! |
January 17, 2013, 02:44 PM | #10 |
Member
Join Date: December 19, 2012
Location: WNY
Posts: 18
|
@JimDandy: Why would the NRA campaign (and successfully) to defund those studies?
|
January 17, 2013, 02:49 PM | #11 |
Senior Member
Join Date: August 8, 2012
Posts: 2,556
|
Because it's not exactly glitter and glamour to point out people shoot themselves in the head while cleaning their firearms from time to time.
|
January 17, 2013, 03:30 PM | #12 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 1, 2011
Location: Near St. Louis, Missouri
Posts: 864
|
I think the CDC appropriations bill should contain language which prohibits them from studying any crime or social activity. The Center for Disease Control should focus on disease: physical ailments caused by virus, bacteria, parasite, insect/snake bite, food-borne toxins, genetic defects, etc.
Why in the world are they studing poverty, video games, rap music, firearms, and prison over-crowding. None of this has anything to do with disease. |
January 17, 2013, 03:44 PM | #13 |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 12, 2002
Location: Twin Cities, MN
Posts: 5,292
|
Very commendable.
There is enough (what is the word? stupidity? idiocy? blindness to facts? I don't know) in my state that I really applaud this declaration. Examples: One of the daily papers in the Twin Cities is really left leaning. They posted this despicable anti NRA article: http://www.startribune.com/opinion/c...1.html?refer=y There is a blog site run by someone in my state about gun violence that is so incredibly naive and judgemental I can't be bothered to read it any more and and will not mention it here because I don't want it to get any more attention. (Although I was initially informed about it here at TFL.) Years ago when the concealed carry legislation came up several of my legislators passed around a bullet proof vest which they donned before they made their speeches about how the streets would run red with blood and vow they would NEVER enter a store that was NOT posted as a gun free zone. Sheesh! Thanks for posting this. |
January 17, 2013, 05:20 PM | #14 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 15, 2007
Location: Outside KC, MO
Posts: 10,128
|
Guys, it is not that an intruder is statistically likely to turn your gun on you, it's that suicide by gun has a very high percentage rate of effectiveness.
The majority survive gunfights. A very small minority survive a suicide attempt by gun. Now, since hanging is the second most common form of suicide by American males, and poisoning is the most common form of suicide by American females, removing guns would probably not have much impact on actual suicide rates. Until we get rope control, and barbiturate control, and razor blade control... |
January 17, 2013, 05:21 PM | #15 |
Staff
Join Date: July 28, 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 8,819
|
So far, I've seen similar letters out of about three sherriffs.
__________________
I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some. |
January 17, 2013, 07:12 PM | #16 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 24, 2007
Location: Rochester, MN
Posts: 347
|
I saw one from Missouri and Wyoming.
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|