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June 23, 2017, 12:59 PM | #1 |
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TFL Lawyer Makes Indiana News
I notice a fellow TFL member has made the local news for challenging the county's attempt to create a gun ban in violation of Indiana state law by claiming that an unused storeroom was a "courtroom" and thus prohibiting carry in the building.
https://lafayettecitizenjournal.com/...-foia-request/ |
June 23, 2017, 01:05 PM | #2 |
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Interesting backdoor gun ban technique.
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June 23, 2017, 01:28 PM | #3 |
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Very interesting and shady.
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June 23, 2017, 01:31 PM | #4 |
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New TFL slogan: "Kudos for Kirk!"
(Or is that "Kudos to Kirk!"?) |
June 23, 2017, 11:27 PM | #5 |
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Interesting that "they" almost immediately went after him "out of bounds" when he started asking uncomfortable questions. That's virtually an admission of guilt--but I imagine they thought he would shut up once he realized that they were willing to play dirty.
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June 24, 2017, 07:04 AM | #6 |
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Very shady of the county. Good for Mr. Freeman!
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I live in a state that issues carry permits, generally without a lot of hassle. In my small town (population under 10,000) there are somewhere in the vicinity of 475 carry permits issued (verified with the State Police, which is the issuing agency) as of two years ago. My town also has a local ordinance prohibiting the "possession" (not just "carry" of a loaded firearm on any Town-owned property. When I discovered this ordinance (by accident), I consulted the local police, and I was informed that, yes, Town-owned property includes Town roads. I live on a Town road. This means that (1) legally, I can't walk to my mailbox with a loaded gun on my hip, because the mailbox is within the road right-of-way. (2) If I want to go armed to anywhere, I have to start out unarmed and drive either a mile north or two miles south, until I reach a state road, whereupon I can find somewhere to pull off (not not on Town-owned property) to load up. I engaged a firearms rights attorney and we approached the Town Council about amending the ordinance to fix what we perceived to be the unconstitutional nature of this ordinance. After three meetings and much correspondence, they proposed a revision that would:
The Town attorney assured my attorney, before sending us the proposed revision, that they had fixed the problems and that he was certain her client (me) would "love" the revised language. What a joke! The proposed revision was clearly a "poison pill" proposal. In one of our meetings with the Town Council, the mayor (an attorney) basically acknowledged that they know the ordinance violates both the federal and state constitutions, but "We don't like guns." And that's the crux of the issue. When the Powers That Be are willing to put their personal dislike for firearms ahead of their sworn duty to defend and uphold the constitution(s), you can expect them to play dirty at every opportunity. In my case, the next step would have to be to file a lawsuit. But the state's judiciary are overwhelmingly liberal Democrats who hate guns, so that's not a good option ... and I don't have the money to undertake the suit anyway. So, in the end, we slunk away with our tails between our legs, and the old ordinance is still in effect. |
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June 24, 2017, 04:53 PM | #8 |
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Aguila Blanca, have you contacted the NRA Civil Rights Legal Defense Fund? That is just the type of case they are often good at handling.
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June 24, 2017, 10:51 PM | #9 |
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Aguila,
State pre-emption. Most cities will fall into line after you beat them once. You may fight a few cities for decades anyways(Cleveland), but at least you will win each fight. |
June 24, 2017, 11:55 PM | #10 |
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My state doesn't have preemption.
I didn't intend to hijack this discussion. I only used my situation as an example of why we should never trust government entities. |
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June 25, 2017, 08:55 PM | #12 |
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Awhile back (maybe six months to a year) there was a video on Youtube showing a meeting of the city council in some municipality, somewhere in the U.S. I'm sure it's still there, but I didn't bookmark it and I haven't been able to find it.
The video showed discussion regarding the adoption of a municipal anti-gun ordinance. It was pointed out by someone that the state in question had preemption, so if passed the ordinance couldn't be enforced. And one knucklehead councilman stated flat out that he didn't CARE if the ordinance couldn't be enforced, because "We have to do something." When our rulers think (allegedly) in such manner, there is no point in trying to reason with them. It's all about the sound bites. Last edited by Aguila Blanca; June 25, 2017 at 09:02 PM. |
June 25, 2017, 08:58 PM | #13 |
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My state does have pre-emption. I've still had city policymakers tell me that they wanted me to figure out a way to ban guns from X, Y or Z. I've also heard things like, "Well, even if we can't ban guns, we can still ban ammunition, right?"
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June 26, 2017, 05:12 AM | #14 |
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Anybody ever been reassured by:
"Oh don't worry about that. We won't enforce it that way." |
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When I was researching the effects of my town's ordinance, I called the police department to ask if it applied on public roads. The Deputy Chief told me that, as far as they were concerned, it did -- the rights-of-way for Town roads are owned by the Town. But (he said), "Nobody's going to go to jail over this." Right - Until the next Chief decides to enforce it more strictly, or until a cop makes a traffic stop when he/she is having a bad hair day ... |
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