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Old May 11, 2017, 11:11 AM   #1
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Remington 1858?

Been thinking on getting a '58 Remy. I hear they don't jam up as much as the open top Colts. Any truth to that? Thanks.
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Old May 11, 2017, 11:27 AM   #2
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if the revolvers are stock, the answer is most of the time. the downside to 58's is the small diameter cylinder arbor, which can bind up. i use overball lube to prevent, others don't have the problem or have other solutions. the major difference between the pietta and uberti is the uberti uses a larger ball, and has a dovetail sight and ram retainer.
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Old May 11, 2017, 12:22 PM   #3
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Uberti and Pietta both take .454 balls until you get into the Uberti Walkers and dragoons. Most people seem to have less problems with the Remington design. I prefer Colt's and have no more problems with them than I do Remington. Uberti is closer in size to originals and Pietta has extremely fat grips. Pietta Colt's have the correct arbor length and Uberti arbors are short but it's an easy fix.
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Old May 11, 2017, 12:54 PM   #4
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So the Uberti is more historically correct?
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Old May 11, 2017, 03:46 PM   #5
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Closer than Pietta yes.
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Old May 11, 2017, 06:30 PM   #6
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Thank you. I am wanting to get a cross draw holster for it and have a powder flask in my back pocket and in my front pocket have a tin with balls, wads, caps, and a stick to seat the caps plus a small fixed powder measure. My goal would be to be able to walk around on the property and in the woods with everything needed to reload the gun four times for a total of 30 shots.

I daydreamed about this at work today lol!
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Old May 11, 2017, 07:25 PM   #7
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You could get a cartridge box and remove the dividers or make new dividers and have everything right there.
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Old May 11, 2017, 07:55 PM   #8
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Depending on the gun and load you may or may not get 30 shots off before fouling binds up the cylinder. I have several Euroarms/Armi San Paulo Remingtons that shoot all day without binding. My two Ubertis will start to get gummy after about ten 30 grain charges and after about 15 20gr charges.

What I do is carry a small plastic squeeze bottle of olive oil in my shoot box and I put a single drop on the front of the cylinder where it rubs the frame where the cylinder pin traverses. I do the oil drop after charging the 5 or 6 chambers and twirl the cylinder to work the oil down onto the cylinder pin. With that few seconds of detail the Ubertis will also shoot all day. Some people pull the cylinder pin and re-lube but that , to me, is an unnecessary and messy answer to cylinder binding.

Keep in mind that the percussion revolvers were a SIX FOLD improvement in fire power over the old single shot pistols and were never designed to be shot 30 times in a row like we do in a Cowboy Action Match. They were shot dry, re holstered and either another revolver was pulled or a saber or fighting knife was then used. Reloading & cleaning came after the fray.
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Old May 11, 2017, 08:29 PM   #9
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Colt's do run longer.
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Old May 12, 2017, 04:31 PM   #10
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h is partially right on the ball size. the pietta 36 uses a .375" and uberti .380". i use .451 in my 44 pietta but .454 works to, my uberti 44 gets .457 cause i don't have a .454 mold.
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Old May 12, 2017, 05:06 PM   #11
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Thanks all, so for an Uberti 1858 I should get .454s?
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Old May 12, 2017, 06:47 PM   #12
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.454's for a .44, .380 for a .36. no matter who makes it, yeah you might get .451's and .375's to work but why take a chance on them moving under recoil. .451's work best in older repros.
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Old May 12, 2017, 10:28 PM   #13
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Thanks, gang. Any tips on keeping the gun shooting? I hear the cylinders bind up fast on the Remingtons. What would a feller do to keep the Remy going?
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Old May 13, 2017, 10:38 AM   #14
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A little olive oil, water, ballistol, Windex, pretty much anything liquid works. You want to stay away from anything petroleum based in that area.
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Old May 13, 2017, 02:43 PM   #15
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if you buy a pietta 36 you can buy commercial made .375 balls. if you get a uberti 36 you will need need to cast .380 balls.
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Old May 13, 2017, 03:30 PM   #16
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I make all of mine anyway and .380 just work best.
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Old May 13, 2017, 03:52 PM   #17
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A little olive oil, water, ballistol, Windex, pretty much anything liquid works. You want to stay away from anything petroleum based in that area.
Just squirt it on the pin?
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Old May 13, 2017, 03:59 PM   #18
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Yes, I just use a dab of lube on the cylinder pin and lubed wads on top of the powder (below the bullet), and that keeps my Pietta Remington running for quite a few cylinders full of shots.
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Just squirt it on the pin?
Just squirt it right on the face of the cylinder at the pin. No need to remove the cylinder.
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Old May 13, 2017, 08:27 PM   #20
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Oh sure Hawg NOW you tell us about the .380's now that I cast and shoot .375's. I haven't had em move on me I don't think but I think I should fire a couple chambers and then check the rest with this info. With a larger ball could it improve accuracy? Or since the cylinder shaves them anyway it won't matter??

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Old May 13, 2017, 08:34 PM   #21
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The .380 will shave a marginal amount more than the .375's but it gives a marginally bigger flat area for the rifling to grip. Probably not enough to affect accuracy but can't hurt. If you haven't noticed balls moving they probably aren't.
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