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November 18, 2018, 12:09 PM | #26 |
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The BATFE must love people with Hispanic last names, such as Guillermo-Rodrigo de Jesus Cortez Escobar-Rivera de la Montagna.
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November 18, 2018, 12:12 PM | #27 |
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Not to mention cultures in which the order of names is different.
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November 18, 2018, 05:55 PM | #28 | |
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Originally Posted by heyjoe So apparently its not a federal requirement for a real Id to have your full middle name. Quote:
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November 18, 2018, 06:06 PM | #29 | |
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If Juan Cortez [father's name] Barrios [mother's name] marries Maria Gonzalez [father's name] Rivera {mother's name], a son named Carlos would carry the following name: Carlos Cortez Gonzalez (long version) Carlos Cortez (short version) Carlos Cortez G. (intermediate version) This completely befuddles most American systems because we see Carlos Cortez Gonzales and assume that Gonzales is the legal last name. In his native country it's not -- it's the mother's last name, and that's the name that gets dropped or truncated in less formal/legal usage. |
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November 18, 2018, 08:13 PM | #30 |
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I'm not aware of any statute or ATF opinion requiring an ID to have the full middle name printed on it. I was in the business for many years, so unless something changed (paging dogtown tom!), this sounds like Academy's policy and not law.
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November 19, 2018, 11:27 AM | #31 | |
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November 19, 2018, 11:43 AM | #32 |
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I work at a Gun store in Texas and as it was said above, one can put “IO” or “NMN” in that far right box. I’m not sure how common it is but I am even made to get them to put the quotations for each of those written in with them.
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November 19, 2018, 11:44 AM | #33 | |
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My passport includes the full middle name, but I don't carry either the passport or the passport card on a daily basis. |
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November 19, 2018, 12:26 PM | #34 |
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I knew a guy in college who had no middle name, just a middle initial. His middle name was literally just "F".
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November 19, 2018, 12:54 PM | #35 |
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The Evil Pawn Shop Guy told me about this a few days ago.
The Evil Pawn Shop Guy told me about this a few days ago.
My parents named me Howard Hughes Graham,,, Back in 1978 I had my name changed to Howard Hughes Aarond Graham. I wanted to change it to Aarond H. Graham,,, But my Mom pitched a fit so I just added Aarond to the original. This is where it gets dodgy. The Air Force lawyer I used said to get all of my new ID cards as Aarond H. Graham,,, He advised me that it was perfectly legal to use a derivative of your name,,, It's kind of like a man named Johnathan using Johnny as a legal name,,, In fact, it's called a Legal Alias. So every ID I have had since 1978 has Aarond H. Graham on it,,, That includes my Social Security Card. The Patriot Act changed a lot of that though,,, It didn't make my "alias" illegal,,, Just inconvenient to use. Several years ago, Oklahoma changed it's laws to conform to the Patriot Act,,, The name on your driver's license must now match your birth certificate. Or in my case, the legal papers that are my Name Change Document. So my drivers license now has Howard Hughes Aarond Graham on it,,, Which is fortunate for me because I can use it to comply with the new regulation. I'll be testing it out next week,,, I'm ordering a Phoenix Arms HP-22 Range Kit. Aarond .
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November 19, 2018, 07:54 PM | #37 |
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Yup I use that technique too tailgator. My first name is actually Frederick, everybody that knows me knows I go by the diminutive Rick.
I expect people I don't know to call me Fred, and that is of course OK, it's a fine name. It's just not "my" name. My wife is also my Admin. assistant. She knows not to transfer calls to me if they ask for Fred, and they are claiming to know me. It can actually be kinda fun.
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November 25, 2018, 01:20 AM | #39 |
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My full name isn't on my id so academy wouldn't process my purchase either. Does anyone know if i bring my birth certificate, considering it has my full middle name, back with me that will be enough? I really don't want to deal with DPS and tag agency if i don't have to...
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November 25, 2018, 08:19 AM | #40 |
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That sounds like a question for Academy.
Welcome to TFL.
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November 25, 2018, 10:30 PM | #41 |
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I recently renewed my DL here in Arizona and printed right on the top, "NOT FOR FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION". I have one of those passport cards that allows me to travel back and forth into Canada or Mexico so when I flew to Salt Lake City last weekend, 11/16/18 it came in handy. The idiot at TSA said it was no good so I pulled out the passport card and was allowed to pass. Funny thing coming home from SLC Sunday my DL worked just fine.
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November 26, 2018, 05:54 PM | #42 |
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The 4473 form requires a middle name, or IO(initial only), or NMN(no middle name). If your ID only has a middle initial then it probably isn't acceptable if you actually have a middle name. Different ATF agents have different requirements, different dealers have different requirements. A P.O. box is not acceptable for an address either.
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November 26, 2018, 07:52 PM | #43 |
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