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Old September 16, 2017, 07:54 PM   #1
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Jammed Model 1895 Marlin

Today we had a Range Safety Officer (RSO) class and one half of the students would play the range user and the other half the RSO. One of the "students" jammed a Marlin 1895 with dummy rounds. It was stuck in the partially open position and he could not move the lever either direction. The RSO couldn't fix it and I came over, examined it and pulled it out of service.

I handed them another lever action and the "student" managed to jam that one too. I pulled that out of service and gave him a bolt action instead.

The second lever action was cleared by me (I brought a tool kit) but the Marlin had to be taken home and disassembled. It turns out that the student had bent the ejector back about thirty degrees. This prevented the bolt from moving forward. It was locked up from moving back too because the bent extractor would not permit the cartridge to rise (think three point bind).

Anyway, after disassembly, the extractor was placed into a vise and flattened. It worked then but I suspect it has been compromised (too much bending back and forth stresses it). May have to temper it.
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Old September 16, 2017, 07:58 PM   #2
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" It turns out that the student had bent the ejector back about thirty degrees."

Just how the heck does THAT HAPPEN?
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Old September 17, 2017, 04:56 PM   #3
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How the ....??

Talk about inexperience and lack of finesse and mechanical sympathy.
That's rule number one for mechanical devices in my household: If you don't know how it works, don't mess with it!
Rule number two: Don't force it!


Normally the 'jammed halfway open' cause is a cartridge that didn't fully clear the mag tube, and bound up the carrier/lifter. I cannot fathom bending an ejector and/or extractor like that through even Bubba use.
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Old September 17, 2017, 05:43 PM   #4
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Just a FYI Wild West guns makes a aftermarket heavy duty ejector for Marlins.
https://www.wildwestguns.com/product...proof-ejector/

Brownell's has them too.
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Old September 17, 2017, 06:44 PM   #5
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I'm wondering if he stroked the lever to release the cartridge from the magazine tube, and then tried a rapid short stroke to partially close and then very forcibly open it?
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Old September 17, 2017, 09:51 PM   #6
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I don't think that would do it. I guess it would depend more upon which direction the part was bent, whether or not I can envision that happening.

Just so we're clear: Was it the ejector or extractor (or both) that got bent?
You use both terms in your initial description.

If it was the extractor, I think it could have been a short-stroke that failed to fully eject, followed by slamming/forcing the bolt forward.
Still pretty ridiculous...
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Old September 18, 2017, 06:57 AM   #7
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Talk about inexperience and lack of finesse and mechanical sympathy.
That's rule number one for mechanical devices in my household: If you don't know how it works, don't mess with it!
Rule number two: Don't force it!
My dad a mechanical engineer had two funny sayings...

If force does not work get a bigger hammer.

If it does not move force it, If it breaks it needed replacement anyway.
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Old September 18, 2017, 07:52 AM   #8
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Can't see how he did it either. Mine has the stock pieces with many, manny rounds through them and no issue. Not sure if a stronger part is needed but it's nice to know about, thanks for posting the WWE link.
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Old September 18, 2017, 08:10 AM   #9
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ejector.
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Old September 18, 2017, 11:40 AM   #10
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Isn't the RSO's job to be fixing stuff while running a range.
"...If force does not work get a bigger hammer..." That's a weapons tech dogma. snicker. And engineers don't fix stuff. They dig holes. Technicians fix the stuff engineers break.
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Old September 18, 2017, 12:17 PM   #11
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Wow.
Your suspicion is probably correct, then.
That, or some one single-loaded and had the rim down on the lifter, but under (rather than behind) the extractor and ejector. Add cave man, and you've got a pooch that's thoroughly screwed.
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