The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > NFA Guns and Gear

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old July 1, 2018, 06:44 AM   #1
Mobuck
Junior member
 
Join Date: February 2, 2010
Posts: 6,846
How to make things slower

Something I noticed in the NFA application.
If I send TWO applications at the same time, they may go to different desk wieners who then go through all the background checks separately wasting enough time to have processed someone else's application.
The agency I work for couples multiple interviews to ensure both/all are handled by the same field person preventing this stupidity.
Mobuck is offline  
Old July 1, 2018, 07:58 AM   #2
Bartholomew Roberts
member
 
Join Date: June 12, 2000
Location: Texas and Oklahoma area
Posts: 8,462
Yes, I sent in two applications at the same time. One returned because they didn’t like the formatting of the address. One processed. So I waited 12 months for one stamp and 13 months for the other. Not that waiting 12 months to get a stamp processed was any great sign of efficiency either...but I understand how it goes.

If you are a bureaucratic agency, it takes 2-5 years to get any kind of increase in your budget. If your work starts exponentially growing, you are hosed because there is nobody to do the work and won’t be for awhile. Still, you’d think basic measures like the one you suggested would at least be attempted in the name of efficiency and consistency.
Bartholomew Roberts is offline  
Old July 1, 2018, 02:26 PM   #3
dogtown tom
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 23, 2006
Location: Plano, Texas
Posts: 3,062
About three weeks ago I received six letters from ATF NFA Branch.
All six Form 4's were to the same transferee, signed by the same examiner on the same day.
Instead of using one envelope, they mailed each one separately.
__________________
Need a FFL in Dallas/Plano/Allen/Frisco/McKinney ? Just EMAIL me. $20 transfers ($10 for CHL, active military,police,fire or schoolteachers)

Plano, Texas...........the Gun Nut Capitol of Gun Culture, USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
dogtown tom is offline  
Old July 1, 2018, 07:11 PM   #4
Mobuck
Junior member
 
Join Date: February 2, 2010
Posts: 6,846
"All six Form 4's were to the same transferee, signed by the same examiner on the same day.
Instead of using one envelope, they mailed each one separately."

So, what are the chances the "examiner" spent all day running the same name through the process 6 times?
Mobuck is offline  
Old July 1, 2018, 08:56 PM   #5
Chainsaw.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 12, 2015
Location: Issaquah WA. Its a dry rain.
Posts: 1,774
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobuck View Post
"All six Form 4's were to the same transferee, signed by the same examiner on the same day.
Instead of using one envelope, they mailed each one separately."

So, what are the chances the "examiner" spent all day running the same name through the process 6 times?
Right? Good lord. Its like they make it so rhese folks CAN'T be efficient. Same crap my Wife delt with when she was in federal service. It hurts the brain.
__________________
Just shoot the damn thing.

Last edited by Chainsaw.; July 1, 2018 at 08:57 PM. Reason: To make the text bigger.
Chainsaw. is offline  
Old July 2, 2018, 01:43 AM   #6
44 AMP
Staff
 
Join Date: March 11, 2006
Location: Upper US
Posts: 28,675
there is the view from the outside looking in, and the view from the inside looking out.

What looks like inefficiency might be following approved procedure.

You see 2 or 4 different forms to/from the same person processed separately, and think its stupidly wasteful. And, maybe, it is.

But really, is it?? each separate application even from the same person is for a different item, isn't it?? 4 different serial number guns means 4 different forms, right??

Well, if its the procedure that each one is its own "work package", then they can't be lumped together just because its the same person applying.

Do remember one of the major unwritten rules of any organization, "it doesn't have to make sense, its procedure!"
__________________
All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.
44 AMP is offline  
Old July 2, 2018, 11:41 AM   #7
dogtown tom
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 23, 2006
Location: Plano, Texas
Posts: 3,062
True, each application is a separate action, but it is not unusual to receive two or more approved Form 4's in the same envelope.
__________________
Need a FFL in Dallas/Plano/Allen/Frisco/McKinney ? Just EMAIL me. $20 transfers ($10 for CHL, active military,police,fire or schoolteachers)

Plano, Texas...........the Gun Nut Capitol of Gun Culture, USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
dogtown tom is offline  
Old July 2, 2018, 07:50 PM   #8
Mobuck
Junior member
 
Join Date: February 2, 2010
Posts: 6,846
"4 different serial number guns means 4 different forms, right??"

IF the NFA applications a for "guns".
What about the applications for 2,3, or 4 identical Form 1 suppressors to the same individual?
I'm not talking about putting all the numbered items on a single approval form, I'm saying multiple investigations of the same individual for multiple items in the system would be a horrendous waste of time.

Last edited by Mobuck; July 2, 2018 at 08:02 PM.
Mobuck is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:29 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2021 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Page generated in 0.06437 seconds with 8 queries