terrorist attack vs. armed citizenry simulation....

Koda94 · January 14, 2015, 11:28 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-te...-by-gun-group/

Recently a group called The Truth about Guns did a simulation of the Paris terrorist attack except where random staff were armed to see what effect and armed citizenry would have on such an event.

The results of their efforts, by their own admission were less than impressive where after many attempts only 2 times resulted with only 1 of the attackers being "killed". From 12 volunteers only 1 survived by running away.

my first thought was... so much for the rifle behind every blade of grass. But thinking about this realistically the simulation is far from complete based only on the vague information in the article I'm assuming only 12 attempts with random volunteers of various training and skill.

Question: what can armed American civilians do collectively to better prepare to defeat such an attack or is it unrealistic to think so?

Tennessee Gentleman · January 14, 2015, 11:44 PM

The problem I have with this scenario (and the one Diane Sawyer did) was who were the "terrorists"? Were they too volunteers or highly trained SWAT cops (like the Diane Sawyer piece)

It matters because at least in the case of the deranged campus shooters they are unlikely to a) be very proficient with firearms (certainly not SWAT like) and b) would probably self terminate when faced with an armed response as they typically do.

Maybe these terrorists in Paris were as good as highly trained SWAT cops but it's not a leap to figure expert highly trained folk with AR/AKs would beat out not well trained civilians with handguns.

Another test might be with the hostages. Unless they were all tied up in the grocery store. Had THEY been armed and given the element of surprise with bad guys focused on police the result might not have been several dead hostages?

All depends on how you run the scenario and with whom.

Evan Thomas · January 15, 2015, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TG

All depends on how you run the scenario and with whom.

Yes it does, and that's why we don't do hypothetical scenarios of this kind.

January 14, 2015, 11:28 PM	#1
Koda94 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2012 Location: Cascadia Posts: 1,294	terrorist attack vs. armed citizenry simulation.... http://www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-te...-by-gun-group/ Recently a group called The Truth about Guns did a simulation of the Paris terrorist attack except where random staff were armed to see what effect and armed citizenry would have on such an event. The results of their efforts, by their own admission were less than impressive where after many attempts only 2 times resulted with only 1 of the attackers being "killed". From 12 volunteers only 1 survived by running away. my first thought was... so much for the rifle behind every blade of grass. But thinking about this realistically the simulation is far from complete based only on the vague information in the article I'm assuming only 12 attempts with random volunteers of various training and skill. Question: what can armed American civilians do collectively to better prepare to defeat such an attack or is it unrealistic to think so? __________________ lightweight, cheap, strong... pick 2

January 14, 2015, 11:44 PM	#2
Tennessee Gentleman Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,775	The problem I have with this scenario (and the one Diane Sawyer did) was who were the "terrorists"? Were they too volunteers or highly trained SWAT cops (like the Diane Sawyer piece) It matters because at least in the case of the deranged campus shooters they are unlikely to a) be very proficient with firearms (certainly not SWAT like) and b) would probably self terminate when faced with an armed response as they typically do. Maybe these terrorists in Paris were as good as highly trained SWAT cops but it's not a leap to figure expert highly trained folk with AR/AKs would beat out not well trained civilians with handguns. Another test might be with the hostages. Unless they were all tied up in the grocery store. Had THEY been armed and given the element of surprise with bad guys focused on police the result might not have been several dead hostages? All depends on how you run the scenario and with whom. __________________ "God and the Soldier we adore, in time of trouble but not before. When the danger's past and the wrong been righted, God is forgotten and the Soldier slighted." Anonymous Soldier.