350 Legend - Page 2

agtman · July 3, 2020, 06:51 PM

Ain't a 'legend' yet.

Still not enough years in the woods and cornfields to prove itself as the 'ultimate' deer cartridge.

reynolds357 · July 3, 2020, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by agtman

Ain't a 'legend' yet.

Still not enough years in the woods and cornfields to prove itself as the 'ultimate' deer cartridge.

I honestly dont see it as being a long term success as a deer cartridge. I think it will have more staying power as a sub sonic AR cartridge.

TruthTellers · July 4, 2020, 04:35 AM

I do not own a .350 rifle, but have been thinking about getting an upper in the chambering, not for hunting but for having a relatively easy case for reloading a .35 caliber bullet that is the same as what I load in my .38's and .357's. For 300 yards and under, I think .350 beats the snot out of .300 BLK and 7.62x39. Anything over that distance and it's either 5.56 for combat or .308 for hunting.

Only reason I don't have anything in .350 is I'm waiting to see if this cartridge gains a following or if it ends up being a straight walled .35 Remington.

Nathan · July 5, 2020, 10:09 AM

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Only reason I don't have anything in .350 is I'm waiting to see if this cartridge gains a following or if it ends up being a straight walled .35 Remington.

It does have the full recipe for disaster.....aka 7mm WSM, but it also brings a lot of positive to the deer fields.

PRO’s:
-200 yd max
-state laws define its demand
-reasonable weight bullets for game being hunted
-low recoil for people like me, women, children...I love 458 Lott, but I’d prefer less recoil
-variety of rifles, ammo and components available

CON’s:
-Reloading with new Win brass can be hit or miss
-Powders H110, 296, Enforcer have reputation for volatility
-People are doing weird crap with bullets not intended for 350 Legend then claiming good, bad, etc results
-AR15 folks reporting hit & miss feeding

So, I think recoil for killing power will make this a success in the wooded states.

603Country · July 5, 2020, 12:29 PM

I killed a lot of deer with a 35 Remington. A 200 gr bullet at 2100 FPS. This new round should push a 180 gr bullet about 2000 FPS. It should work just fine for deer. One interesting thing is that, having no case shoulder, it headspaces on the case rim. Will that be a problem? I wonder.

reynolds357 · July 5, 2020, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 603Country

I killed a lot of deer with a 35 Remington. A 200 gr bullet at 2100 FPS. This new round should push a 180 gr bullet about 2000 FPS. It should work just fine for deer. One interesting thing is that, having no case shoulder, it headspaces on the case rim. Will that be a problem? I wonder.

No more nor no less problem than the multitude of other cartridges that head space the exact same way. Most people can reload just fine for them. Some people wil not be able to figure it out to save their life.

603Country · July 5, 2020, 07:52 PM

Reynolds, you are probably right. But...does a straight wall rifle case stretch? If so, then case trimming will have to be precise. I don’t trim pistol cases, but I do trim all of the rifle cases, and truth be told, I’m not that precise at it. But, if a straight wall rifle case doesn’t stretch, then it doesn’t need to be worried about.

reynolds357 · July 5, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 603Country

Reynolds, you are probably right. But...does a straight wall rifle case stretch? If so, then case trimming will have to be precise. I don’t trim pistol cases, but I do trim all of the rifle cases, and truth be told, I’m not that precise at it. But, if a straight wall rifle case doesn’t stretch, then it doesn’t need to be worried about.

I guess at some point in time its theoretically possible they would stretch enough to cause a problem, but I have never seen it. I have reloaded some 45-70 and 444 Marlin cases 20 times without trimming them. (I throw them away at 20 and I know the .45-70 is not an exact comparison) An old man I shoot with claims he has loaded some 45-70 over 80 times without doing anything except annealing the case mouth every few shots. I have no reason to doubt him. He loads to trapdoor pressures, I load to Ruger #1 pressures.

zoo · July 6, 2020, 09:06 PM

Uhhh, I never meant to imply it was the ultimate dear cartridge.

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-AR15 folks reporting hit & miss feeding

Not even, Nathan.

Nathan · July 8, 2020, 09:27 PM

They don’t?

mehavey · July 9, 2020, 06:35 AM

The exceptions have been with handloaded experiments with overly blunt bullets wherein the overall length was also excessively short.

7.62 man · July 9, 2020, 08:32 AM

I bought one for hunting in this coming deer season on the AR platform.
I bought it because I have been hunting with a 300 blackout pistol in public woods.(all the regs will allow) But it doesn't give me enough stopping power. My shot deer run off to be shot by another hunter before they have time to expire. I needed a round that has enough power to stop a good sized deer not wound them & wait for them to die.
I'm starting to reload & I'm starting to notice the problems everyone is talking about. I haven't started to load heavy gr weights or any .357 dia rounds so it looks like I may be seeing more problems.
One of the problems I'm starting to have is some of the brass has crimped primers & I don't have a center pin to fit the 350 legend cases for my RCBS bench primer pocket swager. I have been cutting them out with the pocket ream but would like to swag them to keep the extra metal in the base area.

reynolds357 · July 9, 2020, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 7.62 man

I bought one for hunting in this coming deer season on the AR platform.
I bought it because I have been hunting with a 300 blackout pistol in public woods.(all the regs will allow) But it doesn't give me enough stopping power. My shot deer run off to be shot by another hunter before they have time to expire. I needed a round that has enough power to stop a good sized deer not wound them & wait for them to die.
I'm starting to reload & I'm starting to notice the problems everyone is talking about. I haven't started to load heavy gr weights or any .357 dia rounds so it looks like I may be seeing more problems.
One of the problems I'm starting to have is some of the brass has crimped primers & I don't have a center pin to fit the 350 legend cases for my RCBS bench primer pocket swager. I have been cutting them out with the pocket ream but would like to swag them to keep the extra metal in the base area.

Which brand has crimped primers?

TruthTellers · July 10, 2020, 01:27 AM

Only three companies make .350 ammo: Winchester, Federal, and Hornady. I can't see any reason they'd crimp the primers.

Crimped primers is a minor problem for re-loaders who really ought to be using Starline brass anyway. The .350 is very young, it seems to have some teething issues, they will improve with time.

mehavey · July 10, 2020, 06:32 AM

I [strongly] suggest Winchester brass if you want to ensure healthy chamber containment.
https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...&postcount=205

reynolds357 · July 10, 2020, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mehavey

I [strongly] suggest Winchester brass if you want to ensure healthy chamber containment.
https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...&postcount=205

What about Hornaday?

mehavey · July 10, 2020, 01:27 PM

Adding in Hornady (just cut one open):

Nathan · July 10, 2020, 09:35 PM

Thanks Mehavey, but I would warn you that the Winchester component brass has not proven to hold onto primers well, in my rifle.

mehavey · July 10, 2020, 09:56 PM

So far, so good here Nathan

Nathan · July 10, 2020, 10:02 PM

Any loads you care to share?

reynolds357 · July 10, 2020, 10:45 PM

I dont really know what to think of the brass. In my experience with other Cartridges, I would say Hornaday would be the best brass of the four, Federal the worst, Starline and Winchester landing in the middle.
I cut my teeth on the belted magnums. I am still of the school of thought that if I can load a case 5 times, I got my money worth. 6 or 7 times is just a bonus.

mehavey · July 11, 2020, 07:37 AM

See https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...&postcount=138
https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...&postcount=142
(Note the Speer 180s have been sized down to .356/.357)

https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...3&postcount=57 for cast

UNQUESTIONABLY Norma's 200 powder came out way on top for just about everything. RL-10X close 2nd.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...=1#post4816659
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...=1#post4795641

TAKE GREAT CARE IN YOUR OWN LOAD WORK UP.
DO NOT USE ANYTHING ABOVE AS STARTING POINT.
350 Legend Chambers/Chamfering tend to be . . . "custom" ?

postscript: It was Starline's thin head thickness (relative to other manufacturers) that caused me to move to Winchester.
https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...&postcount=183
https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...&postcount=257

reynolds357 · July 12, 2020, 01:46 PM

I started reloading for the Legend. My first observations is if you use Lee dies, ditch the non locking rings on the expander and the seating die. Get them set, lock them down and forget it. The case needs almost no neck expansion. The case must be crimped to the point it almost crushes case wall. I crushed three setting mine up.

mehavey · July 12, 2020, 05:36 PM

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... case must be crimped to the point it almost crushes case wall.

Huh? Like any straightwall case, you don't crimp at all . . . just de-flare the case.

Best thing I've found to do that is just run it back partially into the sizing die to hit SAAMI mouth specs.

reynolds357 · July 12, 2020, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mehavey

Huh? Like any straightwall case, you don't crimp at all . . . just de-flare the case.

Best thing I've found to do that is just run it back partially into the sizing die to hit SAAMI mouth specs.

You crimp them. The Lee seating die is a roll crimp die. Lee even has the factory crimp die for the 350 legend. I use the factory crimp die on 450 Bushmaster. Dont crimp a straightwall and run it in a tube magazine or a semi auto and you will have problems.

July 4, 2020, 04:35 AM	#28
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,888	I do not own a .350 rifle, but have been thinking about getting an upper in the chambering, not for hunting but for having a relatively easy case for reloading a .35 caliber bullet that is the same as what I load in my .38's and .357's. For 300 yards and under, I think .350 beats the snot out of .300 BLK and 7.62x39. Anything over that distance and it's either 5.56 for combat or .308 for hunting. Only reason I don't have anything in .350 is I'm waiting to see if this cartridge gains a following or if it ends up being a straight walled .35 Remington. __________________ "We always think there's gonna be more time... then it runs out."

July 9, 2020, 08:32 AM	#37
7.62 man Senior Member Join Date: April 30, 2009 Location: Cyber-world USA Posts: 258	I bought one for hunting in this coming deer season on the AR platform. I bought it because I have been hunting with a 300 blackout pistol in public woods.(all the regs will allow) But it doesn't give me enough stopping power. My shot deer run off to be shot by another hunter before they have time to expire. I needed a round that has enough power to stop a good sized deer not wound them & wait for them to die. I'm starting to reload & I'm starting to notice the problems everyone is talking about. I haven't started to load heavy gr weights or any .357 dia rounds so it looks like I may be seeing more problems. One of the problems I'm starting to have is some of the brass has crimped primers & I don't have a center pin to fit the 350 legend cases for my RCBS bench primer pocket swager. I have been cutting them out with the pocket ream but would like to swag them to keep the extra metal in the base area. Last edited by 7.62 man; July 9, 2020 at 08:49 AM.

July 10, 2020, 01:27 AM	#39
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,888	Only three companies make .350 ammo: Winchester, Federal, and Hornady. I can't see any reason they'd crimp the primers. Crimped primers is a minor problem for re-loaders who really ought to be using Starline brass anyway. The .350 is very young, it seems to have some teething issues, they will improve with time. __________________ "We always think there's gonna be more time... then it runs out."

July 11, 2020, 07:37 AM	#47
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,896	See https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...&postcount=138 https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...&postcount=142 (Note the Speer 180s have been sized down to .356/.357) https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...3&postcount=57 for cast UNQUESTIONABLY Norma's 200 powder came out way on top for just about everything. RL-10X close 2nd. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...=1#post4816659 http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...=1#post4795641 TAKE GREAT CARE IN YOUR OWN LOAD WORK UP. DO NOT USE ANYTHING ABOVE AS STARTING POINT. 350 Legend Chambers/Chamfering tend to be . . . "custom" ? postscript: It was Starline's thin head thickness (relative to other manufacturers) that caused me to move to Winchester. https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...&postcount=183 https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...&postcount=257 Last edited by mehavey; July 11, 2020 at 08:57 AM.

July 3, 2020, 06:51 PM	#26
agtman Junior member Join Date: July 26, 2001 Location: midwest Posts: 2,374	Ain't a 'legend' yet. Still not enough years in the woods and cornfields to prove itself as the 'ultimate' deer cartridge.

July 5, 2020, 12:29 PM	#30
603Country Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2011 Location: Thornton, Texas Posts: 3,998	I killed a lot of deer with a 35 Remington. A 200 gr bullet at 2100 FPS. This new round should push a 180 gr bullet about 2000 FPS. It should work just fine for deer. One interesting thing is that, having no case shoulder, it headspaces on the case rim. Will that be a problem? I wonder.

July 5, 2020, 07:52 PM	#32
603Country Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2011 Location: Thornton, Texas Posts: 3,998	Reynolds, you are probably right. But...does a straight wall rifle case stretch? If so, then case trimming will have to be precise. I don’t trim pistol cases, but I do trim all of the rifle cases, and truth be told, I’m not that precise at it. But, if a straight wall rifle case doesn’t stretch, then it doesn’t need to be worried about.

July 8, 2020, 09:27 PM	#35
Nathan Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2001 Posts: 6,331	They don’t?

July 9, 2020, 06:35 AM	#36
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,896	The exceptions have been with handloaded experiments with overly blunt bullets wherein the overall length was also excessively short.

July 10, 2020, 06:32 AM	#40
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,896	I [strongly] suggest Winchester brass if you want to ensure healthy chamber containment. https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...&postcount=205

July 10, 2020, 01:27 PM	#42
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,896	Adding in Hornady (just cut one open):

July 10, 2020, 09:35 PM	#43
Nathan Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2001 Posts: 6,331	Thanks Mehavey, but I would warn you that the Winchester component brass has not proven to hold onto primers well, in my rifle.

July 10, 2020, 09:56 PM	#44
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,896	So far, so good here Nathan

July 10, 2020, 10:02 PM	#45
Nathan Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2001 Posts: 6,331	Any loads you care to share?

July 10, 2020, 10:45 PM	#46
reynolds357 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2012 Posts: 6,165	I dont really know what to think of the brass. In my experience with other Cartridges, I would say Hornaday would be the best brass of the four, Federal the worst, Starline and Winchester landing in the middle. I cut my teeth on the belted magnums. I am still of the school of thought that if I can load a case 5 times, I got my money worth. 6 or 7 times is just a bonus.

July 12, 2020, 01:46 PM	#48
reynolds357 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2012 Posts: 6,165	I started reloading for the Legend. My first observations is if you use Lee dies, ditch the non locking rings on the expander and the seating die. Get them set, lock them down and forget it. The case needs almost no neck expansion. The case must be crimped to the point it almost crushes case wall. I crushed three setting mine up.