(PA) ACLU sues Philly for open carrier-Fiorino

ChuckS · February 14, 2012, 04:07 PM

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The American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania and the law firm of McCausland Keen & Buckman filed a federal lawsuit on February 14, 2012, against the city of Philadelphia on behalf of Mark Fiorino, a gun rights advocate who legally carries an unconcealed weapon in public. The suit alleges that the Philadelphia Police Department filed retaliatory charges against Fiorino after it learned that there was a YouTube recording of Philadelphia police officers threatening to shoot and screaming profanities at an unresisting Fiorino in February 2011. Fiorino was cleared of all charges in October 2011

Lawsuit:Suit here

PR announcement: PR here

Dockelt Number: 2:12-cv-00769-TON

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Charges

Not guilty verdict

Now the civil suit begins. Now we will need to wait a couple of years for the outcome.

Go Mark!

C0untZer0 · February 14, 2012, 06:45 PM

I know this isn't a 2nd Amendment suit per se but this is the first I've ever heard of the ACLU getting involved in anything remotely related to the 2nd Amendment.

I have to say I am amazed

Ruthless4christ · February 14, 2012, 07:19 PM

bout time they did something right

maestro pistolero · February 14, 2012, 07:20 PM

Although many state's ACLU chapters do not recognize the individual right, they vary from state to state. Here in Nevada, the ACLU is very pro-2A.

Glenn E. Meyer · February 15, 2012, 11:22 AM

The ACLU is mixed at the national and local levels. That's why we have Google to search for such things. They have worked in concert with the NRA at times on civil liberties issues but in the past haven't seen the 2nd as an individual right. But on arrests and things like that - good job.

zincwarrior · February 15, 2012, 12:13 PM

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I know this isn't a 2nd Amendment suit per se but this is the first I've ever heard of the ACLU getting involved in anything remotely related to the 2nd Amendment.

I have to say I am amazed

Don't be, its really because of the retaliatory actions after the Youtube thing.

Glenn E. Meyer · February 15, 2012, 01:18 PM

If you just type NRA and ACLU into a search engine - you will find instances of joint action on civil rights issues that can revolve around searches, etc. that involve firearms or general civil rights issues.

Jim March · February 15, 2012, 06:53 PM

I was recently elected to the board of directors of the southern Arizona chapter of the ACLU.

Al Norris · February 15, 2012, 10:44 PM

The PA ACLU press release: http://www.aclupa.org/pressroom/gunr...esuescityo.htm

The 38 page complaint: http://www.aclupa.org/downloads/fiorino21412.pdf (3160KB PDF)

Getting qualified immunity thrown out in the first 2 incidents may be all but impossible. The last incident, may have the better chance, but it's still an uphill battle.

ltc444 · February 16, 2012, 08:21 PM

Our rights are intertwined. We must protect all of them with equal fervor.

It is good that an Eastern Chapter of the ACLU has come to realize this basic fact.

Uncle Buck · February 17, 2012, 01:12 PM

Thanks Al, for posting those links.

The links in the OP only worked for me if I wanted to join that board.

February 15, 2012, 11:22 AM	#5
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	The ACLU is mixed at the national and local levels. That's why we have Google to search for such things. They have worked in concert with the NRA at times on civil liberties issues but in the past haven't seen the 2nd as an individual right. But on arrests and things like that - good job. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

February 15, 2012, 01:18 PM	#7
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	If you just type NRA and ACLU into a search engine - you will find instances of joint action on civil rights issues that can revolve around searches, etc. that involve firearms or general civil rights issues. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

February 15, 2012, 06:53 PM	#8
Jim March Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 1999 Location: Pittsburg, CA, USA Posts: 7,417	I was recently elected to the board of directors of the southern Arizona chapter of the ACLU. __________________ Jim March

February 17, 2012, 01:12 PM	#11
Uncle Buck Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2009 Location: West Central Missouri Posts: 2,592	Thanks Al, for posting those links. The links in the OP only worked for me if I wanted to join that board. __________________ Inside Every Bright Idea Is The 50% Probability Of A Disaster Waiting To Happen.

February 14, 2012, 06:45 PM	#2
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	I know this isn't a 2nd Amendment suit per se but this is the first I've ever heard of the ACLU getting involved in anything remotely related to the 2nd Amendment. I have to say I am amazed

February 14, 2012, 07:19 PM	#3
Ruthless4christ Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2007 Location: CNY Posts: 790	bout time they did something right

February 14, 2012, 07:20 PM	#4
maestro pistolero Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2007 Posts: 2,153	Although many state's ACLU chapters do not recognize the individual right, they vary from state to state. Here in Nevada, the ACLU is very pro-2A.

February 15, 2012, 10:44 PM	#9
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	The PA ACLU press release: http://www.aclupa.org/pressroom/gunr...esuescityo.htm The 38 page complaint: http://www.aclupa.org/downloads/fiorino21412.pdf (3160KB PDF) Getting qualified immunity thrown out in the first 2 incidents may be all but impossible. The last incident, may have the better chance, but it's still an uphill battle.

February 16, 2012, 08:21 PM	#10
ltc444 Senior Member Join Date: March 3, 2011 Location: Vernon AZ Posts: 1,195	Our rights are intertwined. We must protect all of them with equal fervor. It is good that an Eastern Chapter of the ACLU has come to realize this basic fact.