Why no Airgun section?

ninjatoth · July 1, 2009, 01:56 PM

I have videos posted on the web of me shooting high powered airguns like the rws diana and benjamin sheridan superstreak,and people love them and ask so many questions.I have seen so many models of air rifles from .177-.50 caliber on the web.I think a section on airguns would explode with activity,especially from young shooters who are limited to airguns by law....just a suggestion

Evan Thomas · July 1, 2009, 05:45 PM

I suspect that having a forum "explode with activity.... from young shooters" may not be a priority for the owner of The Firing Line.

People here do post about airguns in the appropriate forums (rifle, handgun, competition, hunting -- depending on the specific topic) -- there are quite a few of us who shoot 'em.

And if you're looking for airgun forums, there are quite a few out there:

AirGunForum
http://www.airgunforum.net/agf/index.php

Graybeard Outdoors - Air Guns
http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/php...forum.php?f=77

And RimfireCentral has forums for both air rifles and pistols, as well... just keep scrolling down, you'll get to them eventually...
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/

**JohnKSa** · July 2, 2009, 12:09 AM

Welcome to The Firing Line, a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership.

Airgun topics pop up from time to time and are welcome at TFL, but there are no plans to add subforums for non-firearm topics.

darkgael · July 2, 2009, 06:16 AM

Vanya: Thanks for those links.

Pete

Evan Thomas · July 2, 2009, 11:38 AM

You're welcome, Pete.

The government of the city where I live does consider airguns to be firearms... alas.

ninjatoth · July 2, 2009, 12:45 PM

where I am from,all pellet guns are firearms,and you cannot even purchase a pellet pistol without a CCW or pistol permit,plus,some of those bigger air rifles shoot in excess of 200 foot lbs energy,and people hunt large game with them.

cracked91 · July 2, 2009, 02:26 PM

People hunt large game with an airgun? How large exactly?

ninjatoth · July 2, 2009, 03:10 PM

I have seen pictures of people next to maybe 300lb animals with their airguns.I know that some of those airguns fire .45-.50 caliber 200+ grain pellets at around 600fps.Similar power to a low end .45acp round

Al Norris · July 2, 2009, 04:01 PM

... And outside of some legislative nonsense, they still aren't firearms.

ninjatoth · July 2, 2009, 04:06 PM

and why would you say they aren't firearms?They shoot lead projectiles really fast.

Creature · July 2, 2009, 04:34 PM

Agreed.

It seems to me that the mission statement of TFL is missing a whole subset of shooters. The logo statement should, in my humble opinion, read: "The leading online forum for the shooting enthusiast.". By its very nature, a "firing line" per say is not the sole purview of "firearms". Airguns emulate firearms very closely in looks and employment. Further, an airgun section could attract more members....unless of course that is a bad thing. Airguns are, for many, the way they were initiated into responsible firearm ownership, handling and marksmanship.

I, for one, would not be adverse to seeing the inclusion of an airgun section into the forum...

ninjatoth · July 2, 2009, 05:29 PM

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Airguns are, for many, the way they were initiated into responsible firearm ownership, handling and marksmanship.

that is the only reason I am into shooting now.I learned to love the sport with my brother's 760 pumpmaster when I was 11 or so.I went on to a .22LR after that,but with the new surge of popularity of the new 1,000fps+ airguns,I got back into the sport of pellet gunning a few years back.And with those kind of velocities,and the variety of calibers and makes and models of high powered"adult" pellet guns,I think there would be alot of discussion on muzzle energy,range,hunting and alot more.Things you wouldn't have discussed years ago when all airguns were .177 and 500fps and lower,they were toys back then,but now alot of them I would easily consider firearms

Microgunner · July 2, 2009, 05:36 PM

Quote:

People hunt large game with an airgun? How large exactly?

180 lb hogs are pretty big game.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/55316/1079652

Evan Thomas · July 2, 2009, 06:04 PM

If "firearm" means "powder-burner" to the owner and mods, here, that's sorta the end of the story... although I'd be all for it, m'self.

But a few years ago, in this thread, on the very same subject, Rich Lucibella wrote:

Quote:

AirGun:
Likewise; it's been brought up. Given the limited traffic in Competition and some of the other specialized Forums, we'll pass.

Some topics are best served by specialized, stand-alone sites. As always, we'll help in any way we can to assist in setting such sites up.

So firearm/not firearm hasn't always been the issue.

Just to stir the pot a little...

ninjatoth · July 2, 2009, 06:12 PM

I guess I just thought it would be a good idea because after putting a few videos on youtube of me shooting high powered airguns,I was flooded with all kinds of questions non stop,especially with questions like "what pellet to use" type questions,and will this gun kill a ______? Alot of people have traded using a .22 for small game for a high powered airgun

cracked91 · July 2, 2009, 07:41 PM

Wow! Thats crazy i used to have one of the Crosman 1 pump 1000 fps guns that I would put down raccoons with but I did not even know they had airguns in calibers over .22 when I was younger they were my life until I got old enough to own real firearms but I would always take a 200 lb crossbow with me when in the woods because I figured they could not kill anything above 30 lbs

ninjatoth · July 2, 2009, 08:00 PM

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/big-bore...sam-yang.shtml

this is the most powerful one I could find. .45 cal 730fps,170 grain pellet= 201 ft lbs energy,that's equivelent to the power of a .38 special snub nose revolver

Casimer · July 2, 2009, 08:20 PM

adding to Vanya's list, there's also ..

http://www.straightshooters.com/chat/ , which is a good one for air rifle hunters and others who are into high powered air guns.

and for match air guns there's http://www.targettalk.org/

and probably the largest, by membership, is the airgunbbs which is based in England - http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/

IMO you'll be better served posting to a dedicated airgun forum. The reason being that it's rare to find people who are experts on airguns. So it's worthwhile to use forums where they congregate.

ZeSpectre · July 2, 2009, 08:48 PM

Quote:

People hunt large game with an airgun? How large exactly?

As I understand it, Sam Yang, Quackenbush and other big bore airguns are pretty serious stuff.
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/

stargazer65 · July 3, 2009, 06:45 AM

This must be the new airgun forum.

I was thinking about getting a Beeman at Walmart that comes with two barrels.(.177 and .22) It seems to be a decent model and I can get it there for under $150. I was thinking about springing for an RWS over the internet, but that's going to set me back well over $200. Any thoughts?

**Mal H** · July 3, 2009, 09:51 AM

IMO, Vanya explained it well in two different posts:

"If "firearm" means "powder-burner" to the owner and mods, here, that's sorta the end of the story..."
It does.

"I suspect that having a forum "explode with activity.... from young shooters" [of non-firearms] may not be a priority for the owner of The Firing Line."

As both John and Al implied, the "fire" in firearms is actually burning powder, not compressed air or CO2. We welcome air gun discussions in the various forums, but we don't need nor want a specific forum for them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stargazer65

This must be the new airgun forum.

No, actually it isn't.

July 1, 2009, 01:56 PM	#1
ninjatoth Junior member Join Date: March 21, 2009 Location: sanford,mi Posts: 590	Why no Airgun section? I have videos posted on the web of me shooting high powered airguns like the rws diana and benjamin sheridan superstreak,and people love them and ask so many questions.I have seen so many models of air rifles from .177-.50 caliber on the web.I think a section on airguns would explode with activity,especially from young shooters who are limited to airguns by law....just a suggestion

July 1, 2009, 05:45 PM	#2
Evan Thomas Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 5,631	I suspect that having a forum "explode with activity.... from young shooters" may not be a priority for the owner of The Firing Line. People here do post about airguns in the appropriate forums (rifle, handgun, competition, hunting -- depending on the specific topic) -- there are quite a few of us who shoot 'em. And if you're looking for airgun forums, there are quite a few out there: AirGunForum http://www.airgunforum.net/agf/index.php Graybeard Outdoors - Air Guns http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/php...forum.php?f=77 And RimfireCentral has forums for both air rifles and pistols, as well... just keep scrolling down, you'll get to them eventually... http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/ __________________ Never let anything mechanical know you're in a hurry.

July 2, 2009, 12:09 AM	#3
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,989	Welcome to The Firing Line, a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership. Airgun topics pop up from time to time and are welcome at TFL, but there are no plans to add subforums for non-firearm topics. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

July 2, 2009, 06:16 AM	#4
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	Thanx Vanya: Thanks for those links. Pete __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member

July 2, 2009, 11:38 AM	#5
Evan Thomas Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 5,631	You're welcome, Pete. The government of the city where I live does consider airguns to be firearms... alas. __________________ Never let anything mechanical know you're in a hurry.

July 2, 2009, 12:45 PM	#6
ninjatoth Junior member Join Date: March 21, 2009 Location: sanford,mi Posts: 590	where I am from,all pellet guns are firearms,and you cannot even purchase a pellet pistol without a CCW or pistol permit,plus,some of those bigger air rifles shoot in excess of 200 foot lbs energy,and people hunt large game with them.

July 2, 2009, 02:26 PM	#7
cracked91 Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2009 Posts: 385	People hunt large game with an airgun? How large exactly?

July 2, 2009, 03:10 PM	#8
ninjatoth Junior member Join Date: March 21, 2009 Location: sanford,mi Posts: 590	I have seen pictures of people next to maybe 300lb animals with their airguns.I know that some of those airguns fire .45-.50 caliber 200+ grain pellets at around 600fps.Similar power to a low end .45acp round

July 2, 2009, 04:01 PM	#9
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	... And outside of some legislative nonsense, they still aren't firearms.

July 2, 2009, 04:06 PM	#10
ninjatoth Junior member Join Date: March 21, 2009 Location: sanford,mi Posts: 590	and why would you say they aren't firearms?They shoot lead projectiles really fast.

July 2, 2009, 04:34 PM	#11
Creature Junior member Join Date: April 8, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,769	Agreed. It seems to me that the mission statement of TFL is missing a whole subset of shooters. The logo statement should, in my humble opinion, read: "The leading online forum for the shooting enthusiast.". By its very nature, a "firing line" per say is not the sole purview of "firearms". Airguns emulate firearms very closely in looks and employment. Further, an airgun section could attract more members....unless of course that is a bad thing. Airguns are, for many, the way they were initiated into responsible firearm ownership, handling and marksmanship. I, for one, would not be adverse to seeing the inclusion of an airgun section into the forum...

July 2, 2009, 06:12 PM	#15
ninjatoth Junior member Join Date: March 21, 2009 Location: sanford,mi Posts: 590	I guess I just thought it would be a good idea because after putting a few videos on youtube of me shooting high powered airguns,I was flooded with all kinds of questions non stop,especially with questions like "what pellet to use" type questions,and will this gun kill a ______? Alot of people have traded using a .22 for small game for a high powered airgun

July 2, 2009, 07:41 PM	#16
cracked91 Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2009 Posts: 385	Wow! Thats crazy i used to have one of the Crosman 1 pump 1000 fps guns that I would put down raccoons with but I did not even know they had airguns in calibers over .22 when I was younger they were my life until I got old enough to own real firearms but I would always take a 200 lb crossbow with me when in the woods because I figured they could not kill anything above 30 lbs

July 2, 2009, 08:00 PM	#17
ninjatoth Junior member Join Date: March 21, 2009 Location: sanford,mi Posts: 590	http://www.pyramydair.com/p/big-bore...sam-yang.shtml this is the most powerful one I could find. .45 cal 730fps,170 grain pellet= 201 ft lbs energy,that's equivelent to the power of a .38 special snub nose revolver

July 2, 2009, 08:20 PM	#18
Casimer Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2007 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,918	adding to Vanya's list, there's also .. http://www.straightshooters.com/chat/ , which is a good one for air rifle hunters and others who are into high powered air guns. and for match air guns there's http://www.targettalk.org/ and probably the largest, by membership, is the airgunbbs which is based in England - http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/ IMO you'll be better served posting to a dedicated airgun forum. The reason being that it's rare to find people who are experts on airguns. So it's worthwhile to use forums where they congregate.

July 3, 2009, 06:45 AM	#20
stargazer65 Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2009 Location: Connecticut Posts: 761	This must be the new airgun forum. I was thinking about getting a Beeman at Walmart that comes with two barrels.(.177 and .22) It seems to be a decent model and I can get it there for under $150. I was thinking about springing for an RWS over the internet, but that's going to set me back well over $200. Any thoughts? __________________ "I assert that nothing ever comes to pass without a cause." Jonathan Edwards