replacing a rifle bbl, remington

rangermonroe · October 23, 2006, 08:04 PM

Last year, I bought a rifle for my kid. I bought it online, and was impressed with what I got. Glass like trigger, glass bedded action, and a floating BBL.

What a deal I got!

Damn thing doesn't shoot worth a flip.

Now, don't get me wrong, it will hit a pie plate at 100 yards...and in my opinion...that's good enough for what it will do in the field.

But, that boy of mine can shoot! No one has told him that it is hard, so he thinks that I shoot as well as he does (I don't). I am capable of better accuracy than his rifle is.

New BBl or new gun? I like new bbl.

Pros/cons?

Harry Bonar · October 23, 2006, 08:38 PM

Dear Shooter:
You didn't mention the caliber?
Look at several things before rebarreling:
Muzzle crown.
Stock bedding - is the bbl bedded full length? If so float it back to action face.
Inspect bedding job.
stock screws.
Is the bolt handle touching wood, or bedding.
Look at chamber throat.

If this is a 308, 30-06 and not a "hot" caliber it will take thousands of rounds to erode it.
Hope this helps.
Harry B.

rangermonroe · October 23, 2006, 09:26 PM

Sorry, very vague description on my part.

It is a .243. Floated bbl to the action. Remington model 7. Youth...22"?

The action takes a lot of work to remove it from the stock. (Rubber mallet...tapa tappa tappa tappa.

There is a lot of air around the bolt handle.

My guess is that, the fellow who sold this to me, did everything to make this gun shoot...and gave up.

I hate to rush to judgment, but this gun, with all of the "accuracy enhancers" shoots like crap. I should not have expected a one hole shooter, but after the enhancements that I described, my hopes were elevated. Dashed upon the shoals of the 100m berm.

I have a shooter for a kid. If he cared only to hunt, this gun would suffice. The boy shoots better than I do, and I hate to give him something like this.

IOW, I believe that this bbl is inferior, and I no longer wish to have it on the action (etc).

Am I delusional (on this particular subject)?

rem33 · October 23, 2006, 10:16 PM

Good chance your cheapest/easiest way is to sell it and buy another.

rangermonroe · October 23, 2006, 10:26 PM

Not me, nor the way I do things.

cntryboy1289 · October 23, 2006, 10:37 PM

I wouldn't give up on it just yet. You didn't say much about the bedding, a pillar bed job might help it shoot better as would making sure the barrel is thoroughly cleaned and then check the crown on it with a magnifying glass to see if it is crowned correctly.

If you do thee simple things and it still won't shoot, then I advise you get have it rebarreled using a good barrel for it. There are so many to choose from, but if you want a really decent shooter, I would say start with a Douglas and work up from there. There is no reason why a .243 isn't a shooter and especially in the format you said it came in. Maybe the barrel is bad, but give the things mentioned a check first before spending the money tochange out the barrel first.

The if you still think the barrel needs changing, get with a smith that you trust and talk with him about it unless you know how to do the job, it isn't one to learn on.

T. O'Heir · October 24, 2006, 12:51 AM

If the barrel is floated to the action, the bedding job wasn't done properly. The bedding should go out to the end of the chamber area. Fix the bedding, then work up a load.
Mind you, if your son can hit the 9" pie plate, off hand, at 100 yards, every time with his hunting ammo, you may want to leave it be. What you can or can't do with it doesn't matter.

tINY · October 24, 2006, 02:29 AM

I have a mod seven in 308 that used to shoot like you describe. I chased the thing for the better part of two years. When I finnaly got a Shilen 700 contour barrel on clearance and had it installed, it turned out that the barrel lug was cracked and had been held in place by the barrel and receiver. But not well enough to group tightly....

-tINY

Clemson · October 25, 2006, 02:34 PM

Drive up to see John Lewis at Carolina Precision Rifles. It's maybe 2 1/2 hours from you. He can either fix it or rebarrel it, and it will definitely shoot when he is done.

Clemson

Ausserordeutlich · October 26, 2006, 02:30 PM

Could be something as simple as a fouled barrel that really needs a good cleaning. What kind of scope and mounts are you using?

rangermonroe · November 5, 2006, 11:18 PM

Well....

The scope failed. fogged and my 2" groups turned into 2' groups.

There it is.

Ausserordeutlich · November 6, 2006, 09:05 PM

Well, all righty then!

tINY · November 6, 2006, 11:39 PM

Yeah, I had that problem when I was figuring out my Mod 7 with the cracked lug too.

But, in my case, it made my 6" groups more like 12"

-tINY

October 23, 2006, 08:04 PM	#1
rangermonroe Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2005 Location: savannah Posts: 758	replacing a rifle bbl, remington Last year, I bought a rifle for my kid. I bought it online, and was impressed with what I got. Glass like trigger, glass bedded action, and a floating BBL. What a deal I got! Damn thing doesn't shoot worth a flip. Now, don't get me wrong, it will hit a pie plate at 100 yards...and in my opinion...that's good enough for what it will do in the field. But, that boy of mine can shoot! No one has told him that it is hard, so he thinks that I shoot as well as he does (I don't). I am capable of better accuracy than his rifle is. New BBl or new gun? I like new bbl. Pros/cons?

October 23, 2006, 08:38 PM	#2
Harry Bonar Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2004 Location: In the Vincent, Ohio general area. Posts: 1,804	new bbl Dear Shooter: You didn't mention the caliber? Look at several things before rebarreling: Muzzle crown. Stock bedding - is the bbl bedded full length? If so float it back to action face. Inspect bedding job. stock screws. Is the bolt handle touching wood, or bedding. Look at chamber throat. If this is a 308, 30-06 and not a "hot" caliber it will take thousands of rounds to erode it. Hope this helps. Harry B.

October 23, 2006, 10:37 PM	#6
cntryboy1289 Senior Member Join Date: July 19, 2004 Location: Ms Posts: 1,160	more on it I wouldn't give up on it just yet. You didn't say much about the bedding, a pillar bed job might help it shoot better as would making sure the barrel is thoroughly cleaned and then check the crown on it with a magnifying glass to see if it is crowned correctly. If you do thee simple things and it still won't shoot, then I advise you get have it rebarreled using a good barrel for it. There are so many to choose from, but if you want a really decent shooter, I would say start with a Douglas and work up from there. There is no reason why a .243 isn't a shooter and especially in the format you said it came in. Maybe the barrel is bad, but give the things mentioned a check first before spending the money tochange out the barrel first. The if you still think the barrel needs changing, get with a smith that you trust and talk with him about it unless you know how to do the job, it isn't one to learn on.

October 25, 2006, 02:34 PM	#9
Clemson Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2001 Location: Greenwood, SC Posts: 875	Drive up to see John Lewis at Carolina Precision Rifles. It's maybe 2 1/2 hours from you. He can either fix it or rebarrel it, and it will definitely shoot when he is done. Clemson __________________ NRA Endowment Member, NRA Certified Instructor CWP Holder US Army veteran Gunsmith www.boltandbarrel.com

October 23, 2006, 09:26 PM	#3
rangermonroe Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2005 Location: savannah Posts: 758	Sorry, very vague description on my part. It is a .243. Floated bbl to the action. Remington model 7. Youth...22"? The action takes a lot of work to remove it from the stock. (Rubber mallet...tapa tappa tappa tappa. There is a lot of air around the bolt handle. My guess is that, the fellow who sold this to me, did everything to make this gun shoot...and gave up. I hate to rush to judgment, but this gun, with all of the "accuracy enhancers" shoots like crap. I should not have expected a one hole shooter, but after the enhancements that I described, my hopes were elevated. Dashed upon the shoals of the 100m berm. I have a shooter for a kid. If he cared only to hunt, this gun would suffice. The boy shoots better than I do, and I hate to give him something like this. IOW, I believe that this bbl is inferior, and I no longer wish to have it on the action (etc). Am I delusional (on this particular subject)?

October 23, 2006, 10:16 PM	#4
rem33 Junior member Join Date: March 31, 2006 Posts: 1,528	Good chance your cheapest/easiest way is to sell it and buy another.

October 23, 2006, 10:26 PM	#5
rangermonroe Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2005 Location: savannah Posts: 758	Not me, nor the way I do things.

October 24, 2006, 12:51 AM	#7
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	If the barrel is floated to the action, the bedding job wasn't done properly. The bedding should go out to the end of the chamber area. Fix the bedding, then work up a load. Mind you, if your son can hit the 9" pie plate, off hand, at 100 yards, every time with his hunting ammo, you may want to leave it be. What you can or can't do with it doesn't matter.

October 26, 2006, 02:30 PM	#10
Ausserordeutlich Junior member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Posts: 996	Could be something as simple as a fouled barrel that really needs a good cleaning. What kind of scope and mounts are you using?

November 5, 2006, 11:18 PM	#11
rangermonroe Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2005 Location: savannah Posts: 758	Well.... The scope failed. fogged and my 2" groups turned into 2' groups. There it is.

November 6, 2006, 09:05 PM	#12
Ausserordeutlich Junior member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Posts: 996	Well, all righty then!

November 6, 2006, 11:39 PM	#13
tINY Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2005 Location: Orygun Posts: 2,589	Yeah, I had that problem when I was figuring out my Mod 7 with the cracked lug too. But, in my case, it made my 6" groups more like 12" -tINY