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Old November 15, 2015, 09:13 AM   #1
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80% AR lower

Got a weird question I've been pondering lately. I know that 80% lowers are not subjected to the usual checks, would it also apply if you wanted it to be SBR'd? Now keep in mind, I'm talking strickly personal use with no intent on selling, just to be clear.
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Old November 15, 2015, 11:22 AM   #2
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Nope. If it was that easy everybody would do it

To submit a form 1 (appl to make an SBR) you need to submit the make model S/N and have the gun engraved with your info.

All that is entered in the NFA data base and the gun is a "registered" SBR
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Old November 17, 2015, 12:58 PM   #3
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I am always amused by folks who get an 80% lower so they can have a "black" (untraceable) rifle, then want to build an SBR on a Form 1. I can't think of any gun more traceable than one registered in the NFRTR.

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Old November 17, 2015, 07:54 PM   #4
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sounds easier to get a finished lower to me...
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Old November 19, 2015, 08:07 PM   #5
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"Got a weird question I've been pondering lately. I know that 80% lowers are not subjected to the usual checks, would it also apply if you wanted it to be SBR'd? Now keep in mind, I'm talking strickly personal use with no intent on selling, just to be clear."

If your question is about the status of the 80%, then; no, it is still not a firearm until you finish it out, indistinguishable from barstock in the ATF's eyes. And since you don't need a serialized firearm to complete a Form 1 for an SBR, there is no need for it to be completed until the stamp gets back (or supposedly, ever, although you may lose your tax payment if your stamp is somehow found to not correspond to an existing firearm at some later date). Accordingly, there is no need for the lower, finished or unfinished by you, to be engraved with serial number or your information, until you go to complete the SBR after getting the tax stamp. Obviously, to complete your gun, you'd have to have the stamp as well as a properly-marked lower receiver to be in the clear.

Same reason my Hotchkiss Universal kit is sitting next to a plain steel tube in the garage, while I await the ATF getting off its fat duff (over three months at this point). Both to avoid any worry about constructive intent, and out of good 'ol fashioned laziness, I'm holding off on completing the receiver until I get the green light.

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