Non FFL holder shipping C&R rifle to C&R holder out of state

jad0110 · September 24, 2017, 08:05 AM

Background: I do not hold an FFL license of any type. I bought a Yugo M48 from a Gunbroker seller and C&R FFL 03 holder. He resides in NY and I am in NC. Obviously, to ship the rifle to me it had to go through an FFL on my end.

Anyway, the rifle was damaged in shipment and the shipper refused to honor the insurance claim because the rifle was not "adequately packaged for shipment". The seller / C&R holder in NY has agreed to take the rifle back.

Question: what options do I have to send a long gun (C&R eligible M48 Yugo Mauser) from NC to a C&R holder in NY? If I can ship directly to him via USPS, FedEx or UPS, would I need to obtain a copy of his C&R as CYA for me?

Thank you!

zipspyder · September 24, 2017, 08:49 AM

I would assume you always need (or want) a copy of their FFL or C&R to ship to anyone. Cover your butt and ship it through an FFL. May take a financial hit but better safe than sorry. Just my 2 cents. Good luck!

FITASC · September 24, 2017, 09:23 AM

Did he send a copy with the gun originally?

tobnpr · September 24, 2017, 03:47 PM

I'm confused.
Did the licensee on your end do the 4473 and transfer the rifle to you, or did you reject it?

If the rifle were damaged in shipment, it should have been determined before the 4473 was done- you should have refused acceptance/transfer and the seller pay the licensee for return shipment.

Even before I had my FFL, any firearm I purchased online- even brandy-new ones from Bud's- would be opened and inspected before consenting to the transfer. Once the 4473 is done, you own it.

Sounds like water under the bridge, but important to remember for the future. If it's damaged, or not what you ordered, do not take possession. Inform the seller of the problem and have them contact your FFL to arrange/pay for return shipping.

You definitely need a copy of his 03 (should have been sent with the rifle as your FFL would have needed the info for his Bound Book entry) before shipping back to him.

You can ship a rifle to a licensee however you like. Be sure to double-box it and pack securely. I generally ship via USPS Priority Mail, insured as it's usually lowest cost and I like the idea of it being in transit only 2-3 days. In my experience, they and the common carriers all beat the crap out of the packages with equal brutality.

FITASC · September 24, 2017, 05:39 PM

Before you ship it back, TAKE PICTURES! That way the seller can't claim it was delivered fine and got damaged when you sent it back.

Ibmikey · October 1, 2017, 09:06 AM

Obtain a copy of his C&R and include a copy with the rifle when you send it back ( not required but just in case package is opened). As others have stated take photos and keep all correspondence involved, ship it fed ex or ups from a distribution center as the package stores are often anti firearms and will cause you frustration with their own made up rules.

September 24, 2017, 08:05 AM	#1
jad0110 Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2007 Posts: 761	Non FFL holder shipping C&R rifle to C&R holder out of state Background: I do not hold an FFL license of any type. I bought a Yugo M48 from a Gunbroker seller and C&R FFL 03 holder. He resides in NY and I am in NC. Obviously, to ship the rifle to me it had to go through an FFL on my end. Anyway, the rifle was damaged in shipment and the shipper refused to honor the insurance claim because the rifle was not "adequately packaged for shipment". The seller / C&R holder in NY has agreed to take the rifle back. Question: what options do I have to send a long gun (C&R eligible M48 Yugo Mauser) from NC to a C&R holder in NY? If I can ship directly to him via USPS, FedEx or UPS, would I need to obtain a copy of his C&R as CYA for me? Thank you!

September 24, 2017, 09:23 AM	#3
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,440	Did he send a copy with the gun originally? __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

September 24, 2017, 03:47 PM	#4
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	I'm confused. Did the licensee on your end do the 4473 and transfer the rifle to you, or did you reject it? If the rifle were damaged in shipment, it should have been determined before the 4473 was done- you should have refused acceptance/transfer and the seller pay the licensee for return shipment. Even before I had my FFL, any firearm I purchased online- even brandy-new ones from Bud's- would be opened and inspected before consenting to the transfer. Once the 4473 is done, you own it. Sounds like water under the bridge, but important to remember for the future. If it's damaged, or not what you ordered, do not take possession. Inform the seller of the problem and have them contact your FFL to arrange/pay for return shipping. You definitely need a copy of his 03 (should have been sent with the rifle as your FFL would have needed the info for his Bound Book entry) before shipping back to him. You can ship a rifle to a licensee however you like. Be sure to double-box it and pack securely. I generally ship via USPS Priority Mail, insured as it's usually lowest cost and I like the idea of it being in transit only 2-3 days. In my experience, they and the common carriers all beat the crap out of the packages with equal brutality. __________________ Remington 700/Savage Rebarreling /Action Blueprinting 07 FFL /Mosin-Nagant Custom Shop/Bent Bolts Genuine Cerakote Applicator www.biggorillagunworks.com Last edited by tobnpr; September 24, 2017 at 03:52 PM.

September 24, 2017, 05:39 PM	#5
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,440	Before you ship it back, TAKE PICTURES! That way the seller can't claim it was delivered fine and got damaged when you sent it back. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

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September 24, 2017, 08:49 AM	#2
zipspyder Junior member Join Date: June 13, 2017 Posts: 429	I would assume you always need (or want) a copy of their FFL or C&R to ship to anyone. Cover your butt and ship it through an FFL. May take a financial hit but better safe than sorry. Just my 2 cents. Good luck!

October 1, 2017, 09:06 AM	#6
Ibmikey Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2013 Location: Now relocated to Texas Posts: 2,943	Obtain a copy of his C&R and include a copy with the rifle when you send it back ( not required but just in case package is opened). As others have stated take photos and keep all correspondence involved, ship it fed ex or ups from a distribution center as the package stores are often anti firearms and will cause you frustration with their own made up rules.