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June 22, 2019, 08:21 PM | #1 |
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ATF Loses Another 101 Guns and 7,000 Firearms Parts
Apparently a security guard at the weapons destruction facility was diverting stuff back to the market and listing it as destroyed. The guns include 15 rifles, 80 handguns, and 9 NFA weapons, as well as over 7,000 firearms parts (Glock slides, AR15 lowers, etc.)
25 different ATF offices are tasked with retrieving the weapons, which are showing up internationally. So, between Wide Receiver, Fast and Furious, various other ATF misadventures, and this, I’m curious what percentage of the illicit firearm market is actually supplied by ATF? Source: https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/a...-w-pants-down/ |
June 22, 2019, 10:36 PM | #2 |
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I knew about this and I was certain that we had discussed it when the news first came out. But ... I can't find it, so I guess we didn't.
Another reason why the BATFE should be disbanded. (Or turned into an online sales operation.) |
June 22, 2019, 10:38 PM | #3 |
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I'm going to have to go with about 99% of all illegal firearms on the market are a product of the ATF screw ups!
How in the hell do they not hold more then the security guard responsible for this? Does he work alone? What kind of procedures do they have for checking in firearms? No checks coming and going? Everyone in his immediate chain of command should be fired, all the way up to the idiot in charge of the facility. Yeah, I know, way to much to expect from a government controlled entity!
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Everyone else is doing the bureaucratic salute (fingers pointing elsewhere)
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Even if we accept the company line that those 2,200 guns from Fast & Furious were just an "oopsie," remember that nobody involved faced prosecution. With the exception of Acting Director Melson (who chose to retire), everyone involved (including ASACs who personally sold guns to the traffickers) is still gainfully employed by the Bureau. Many people assume that gun owners just have it in for the ATF because they're a BIG GUBMENT REGULATORY AGENCY, but there are very real concerns with their utter incompetence and a tendency towards really big stupid disasters like Ruby Ridge and Waco. This comes down to appallingly poor leadership and a lack of effective oversight.
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June 23, 2019, 08:39 AM | #6 |
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what he said ^^^.
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Supervisor David Voth, who ordered ATF agents to transfer guns themselves, is still employed at the DC headquarters. ASAC George Gillett, who wrote a "shut up and keep quiet if you know what's good for you" memo to agents in the Phoenix division, recently retired with full benefits. Yep, I'm sure they're all feeling it.
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June 23, 2019, 10:25 AM | #9 |
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The best way to start that investigation might be to servile Obama and Holder .
The MO is already there..... Ya know..........the usual suspects. ;D |
June 23, 2019, 11:06 AM | #10 |
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Is the security guard an ATF employee? Just curious. They are still responsible.
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June 23, 2019, 04:38 PM | #12 |
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We can’t get away with an “oopsie”, so why should they?
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"We can’t get away with an “oopsie”, so why should they?"
Because, unfortunately they write the rules in their favor. Paul B.
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Wide Receiver was a mistake, and there should have been disciplinary action and prosecutions. Like F&F, it was a multi-agency OCDETF operation, and the ATF's mismanagement screwed up the DOJ's ability to conduct prosecutions in several cases. When it was shut down, the clear message was: don't do something this boneheaded ever again. As we learned from Waco, the ATF takes warnings like that as a challenge. They knew Wide Receiver was a failure and a disaster, but they chose to start it back up, and they did so on an even larger scale. The differences:
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What Tom said. It isn't so much that they are inept. It is they are inept and angry.
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