How true of Rugers is this?

cuerno de chivo · June 27, 2001, 10:15 PM

I've heard that a Ruger DA can "malfunction" if you fire them too fast. Something about the trigger return being slow or the way the action is designed.

TIA

Robert Foote · June 28, 2001, 01:04 AM

Not true.

44rugerfan · June 28, 2001, 03:15 AM

Nope.

whitebear · June 28, 2001, 09:11 AM

Comparing my Security Six to my wife's *&* 640, the Ruger's trigger has to return further forward before the action resets. If you try to pull the trigger before the action completely resets, the trigger will not move rearward. If that's a malfunction, then I guess they do. I would call it operator error, though.

Just my $.02

poperszky · June 28, 2001, 09:48 AM

Happens on my Taurus M85, but not on either of my Rugers.

Terry

BigG · June 28, 2001, 09:50 AM

You get what you pay for. In that case, not much.

parachuterigger · June 28, 2001, 10:05 AM

The only "malfunction" I am aware of is short stroking the trigger. If the trigger doesn't return to its forward position, it won't reset. But, as stated before, this is operator error, not a malfunction.

Dean Speir · June 28, 2001, 01:35 PM

cuerno de chivo asks:

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I've heard that a Ruger DA can "malfunction" if you fire them too fast. Something about the trigger return being slow or the way the action is designed.

Assuming that you're speaking of a Ruger DA/SA revolver, this is one of the few "I heard" pieces of information around, the terse responds of 44rugerfan and Robert Foote withstanding.

I first identified it on an early SP101 I was T&E'ing for Combat Handguns… not having a great deal of experience with Sturm, Ruger wheelguns, I thought it was perhaps anomalous until I spoke with several well-known 'smiths, one of whom offers a popular "street" conversion on the Models SP101. It was explained to me that this was endeminc to the Ruger DA/SA revolver triggers… I don't know if it also applies to their DAO revolvers.

Specifically, performing what the guys at Petersen's used to refer to as "fast, double action work" (usually "at seven yards"), there is a point at which the shooter can cause the trigger to "lock-up" hard. And another point where the sucker will actually "free-wheel." Both conditions are recovered from by the simple expedient of releasing the trigger and re-stroking.

Is is, as parachuterigger and whitebear suggest, "operator error?"

Absolutely!

But one I wouldn't want any part of in a PDA such as the otherwise excellent SP101… in my decades of shooting, I've fired a whole lot more S&W and Colt's DA/SA revolvers than Rugers, and have never experienced such a condition. (And not for nuthin', but I competed in sandpit combat matches throughout the '80s with an S&W Model 686, and regularly used to take out six steel plates in under three seconds… 'tain't Jerry Miculek speed by any means, but it's definitely "fast, double action work.")

The upshot is that the mono-syllabic responses of Mr. Foote and 44rugerfan are inaccurate, probably because it hasn't happened to them… yet.

tyro · June 28, 2001, 04:53 PM

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there is a point at which the shooter can cause the trigger to "lock-up" hard

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"operator error?" Absolutely!

'Sounds to me like this is simply what happens when one fails to fully release the trigger after firing.

'Nothing wrong with the gun. In which case parachuterigger and 44rugerfan are absolutely correct. The "operater error" of failing to fully release the trigger between shots is not a "malfunction" on the part of the gun, IMHO. By simply fully releasing the trigger the gun is ready for the next shot, so the operater error can be instantly corrected by the operator.

juliet charley · June 28, 2001, 05:19 PM

Contrary to what has been said it is not just Ruger. My S&W M27 (S-series, 69 vintage) is prone to "short stroking."

It is a well-known aspect of particularly the SP-101. The practice is of course to adjust to it and not short stroke your trigger. If it absolutely, totally drives you bonkers, you can switch to a stronger trigger return spring (which will not prevent short stroking, but merely make it harder to do). The cost is a heavier trigger pull. I've had two SP-101s and two 640s--the SPs have had a far better DA trigger pull than either 640. I'd rather practice not short stroking the trigger.

WESHOOT2 · June 29, 2001, 05:36 AM

and true, but it doesn't happen to me very often. Learned to shoot it right....

Sight alignment trigger control.

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BigG · June 29, 2001, 07:40 AM

Just goes to show you nothing is idiot proof. Somebody always comes up with a better idiot!

WESHOOT2 · June 30, 2001, 06:43 AM

Thank you.

I really didn't expect it, but I've had it happen with both. I just get going too fast, and I believe I don't allow the trigger to reset fully.

June 27, 2001, 10:15 PM	#1
cuerno de chivo Junior member Join Date: July 6, 2000 Posts: 919	How true of Rugers is this? I've heard that a Ruger DA can "malfunction" if you fire them too fast. Something about the trigger return being slow or the way the action is designed. TIA

June 28, 2001, 01:04 AM	#2
Robert Foote Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 1998 Posts: 623	Not true. __________________ RF/DVC

June 28, 2001, 03:15 AM	#3
44rugerfan Senior Member Join Date: March 10, 2001 Posts: 277	Nope. __________________ "Praise the Lord, and pass the ammuntion..."

June 28, 2001, 09:11 AM	#4
whitebear Senior Member Join Date: August 4, 1999 Location: Tulsa, America Posts: 159	Depends on what you call a malfunction... Comparing my Security Six to my wife's & 640, the Ruger's trigger has to return further forward before the action resets. If you try to pull the trigger before the action completely resets, the trigger will not move rearward. If that's a malfunction, then I guess they do. I would call it operator error, though. Just my $.02 __________________ Tony TFL Member since 8/4/1999 Member #1931 "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

June 28, 2001, 09:50 AM	#6
BigG Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 1999 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,334	You get what you pay for. In that case, not much. __________________ o "The Earth is degenerating today. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer obey their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching." Assyrian tablet, c. 2800 BC o "In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain o "They have gun control in Cuba. They have universal health care in Cuba. So why do they want to come here?" Paul Harvey o TODAY WE CARVE OUT OUR OWN OMENS! Leonidas, Thermopylae, 480 BC

June 28, 2001, 09:48 AM	#5
poperszky Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 2000 Posts: 120	Happens on my Taurus M85, but not on either of my Rugers. Terry

June 28, 2001, 10:05 AM	#7
parachuterigger Member Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: Richmond, IN Posts: 27	The only "malfunction" I am aware of is short stroking the trigger. If the trigger doesn't return to its forward position, it won't reset. But, as stated before, this is operator error, not a malfunction. __________________ "Son, you just might get that fancy gun out of that fancy holster before a fella with an ol' fashioned sixgun blew a hole in ya."-John Wayne "Big Jake"

June 28, 2001, 05:19 PM	#10
juliet charley Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 1999 Posts: 2,501	Contrary to what has been said it is not just Ruger. My S&W M27 (S-series, 69 vintage) is prone to "short stroking." It is a well-known aspect of particularly the SP-101. The practice is of course to adjust to it and not short stroke your trigger. If it absolutely, totally drives you bonkers, you can switch to a stronger trigger return spring (which will not prevent short stroking, but merely make it harder to do). The cost is a heavier trigger pull. I've had two SP-101s and two 640s--the SPs have had a far better DA trigger pull than either 640. I'd rather practice not short stroking the trigger.

June 29, 2001, 05:36 AM	#11
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	COMPETITION TESTED and true, but it doesn't happen to me very often. Learned to shoot it right.... Sight alignment trigger control. ---------------------------------------------------- "all my handguns are competition handguns"

June 29, 2001, 07:40 AM	#12
BigG Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 1999 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,334	Just goes to show you nothing is idiot proof. Somebody always comes up with a better idiot! __________________ o "The Earth is degenerating today. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer obey their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching." Assyrian tablet, c. 2800 BC o "In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain o "They have gun control in Cuba. They have universal health care in Cuba. So why do they want to come here?" Paul Harvey o TODAY WE CARVE OUT OUR OWN OMENS! Leonidas, Thermopylae, 480 BC

June 30, 2001, 06:43 AM	#13
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	RESPONDING IDIOT Thank you. I really didn't expect it, but I've had it happen with both. I just get going too fast, and I believe I don't allow the trigger to reset fully. __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

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