Blackhawk Serpa Holster = Negligent Discharge? - Page 7

C0untZer0 · July 17, 2011, 09:30 AM

Tex...

I guess by his logic if you put a round in your leg you're a dynamic stress virgin.

Lee Paige did a lot of things wrong leading up to him shooting himself. Having an ego that precludes having humility and respecting a very powerful tool was probably a contributing factor.

The people who scare me the most are the ones who have an answer for everything, love to debate, love to hear themself talk, love to teach other people, but bristle at being told what to do. Eager to give instruction but reluctant to seek it is a bad combination.

rodfac · July 17, 2011, 10:32 AM

Count0.....+ one on your last comment....

The people who scare me the most are the ones who have an answer for everything, love to debate, love to hear themself talk, love to teach other people, but bristle at being told what to do. Eager to give instruction but reluctant to seek it is a bad combination.

Rod

brickeyee · July 17, 2011, 10:46 AM

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Eager to give instruction but reluctant to seek it is a bad combination.

You need to be aware of what you do not actually know.

**Mike Irwin** · July 17, 2011, 10:57 AM

"He didn't violate the gun safety laws intentionally"

Nope, but he did violate Irwin's Rule, which is...

Don't be a frigging idiot when you're handling your guns.

Sort of a catch-all rule to cover all situations...

**Tom Servo** · July 17, 2011, 09:19 PM

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I guess by his logic if you put a round in your leg you're a dynamic stress virgin.

I'm starting a punk band, just so I can tell people I play bass for Dynamic Stress Virgin.

kflo01 · July 18, 2011, 10:01 AM

I have the same Holster for my P95. NEVER did I think I was going to get a ND from it.If used properly I dont see how that can really happen.

kflo01 · July 18, 2011, 10:07 AM

"Nothing wrong with he Serpa. This guy is just a idiot. He doesn't know how to draw. He flips off the safety with the gun still in the holster. He engages the trigger the minute it clears the holster. I am curious as to what training he is referring to. He certainly didn't appear to have any.
__________________"

Nothing wrong with flipping the saftey off when the gun is in the holster, some guns dont even have safeties as you know but putting your fingeron the trigger that early is a no-no. That finger shouldnt be in that trigger guard until he is on getting his sight picture, sure of his target or about to fire.

secret_agent_man · July 18, 2011, 12:57 PM

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what training he is referring to. He certainly didn't appear to have any.

Sort of what I thought. And now he's a movie star. On youtube. In a show he wrote and directed. Go figure.

Denezin · April 26, 2012, 09:13 AM

While i am all for firearm safety i have to go with human error on this one mixed with a poor design for a 1911 pistol its self. Any design that puts a pressure safety near a pressure required release isnt safe in my book. It maybe safe but its not human proof.

ftttu · April 26, 2012, 03:13 PM

I want to call my Blackhawk Serpa duty holster a "great holster" but I can't knowing that it is banned from some ranges, it can get fouled with snow, mud, and other debris and that if you aren't careful, can allow for an unintentional discharge. Knowing the above, I still love my holster. I can draw lightning fast and be on target when other officers are still monkeying with their holster's security mechanisms.
I won't recommend it to everyone because there are those out there who can't hold a gun without putting their finger on the trigger. Also, if they put some membrane over the trigger finger release so it won't get fouled, then great.

badger2tony · April 27, 2012, 08:36 PM

A LEO shot himself at my range whilst using a borrowed SERPA. Minor as gun shots go, though he was hospitalized.

I bought one for my Beretta clone, not realizing what it was.

After a little practice, back to OpticsPlanet.

Now banned at my range

Tony

tazbigdog · April 28, 2012, 10:05 PM

Got to this rodeo late. Looks like finger was on trigger when gun went off. (frame 0:27)

jhenry · April 28, 2012, 10:27 PM

In fact the gun is designed to go off when pressure is applied by the finger to the trigger.

And it did.

KenW. · April 28, 2012, 11:10 PM

The Serpa is safe provided you do not use the tip of your finger; use the pad and don't curl your finger. That keeps your finger out of the trigger guard on the draw. I've been using them since they first came out. 1911 then XDs. Never had one that used a thumb button thingy. Just the trigger guard latch.

July 17, 2011, 10:32 AM	#152
rodfac Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,623	Count0.....+ one on your last comment.... The people who scare me the most are the ones who have an answer for everything, love to debate, love to hear themself talk, love to teach other people, but bristle at being told what to do. Eager to give instruction but reluctant to seek it is a bad combination. Rod __________________ Cherish our flag, honor it, defend it in word and deed, or get the hell out. Our Bill of Rights has been paid for by heros in uniform and shall not be diluted by misguided governmental social experiments. We owe this to our children, anything less is cowardice. USAF FAC, 5th Spl Forces, Vietnam Vet '69-'73.

July 17, 2011, 10:57 AM	#154
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	"He didn't violate the gun safety laws intentionally" Nope, but he did violate Irwin's Rule, which is... Don't be a frigging idiot when you're handling your guns. Sort of a catch-all rule to cover all situations... __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

July 18, 2011, 10:01 AM	#156
kflo01 Member Join Date: December 2, 2010 Location: NY Posts: 61	I have the same Holster for my P95. NEVER did I think I was going to get a ND from it.If used properly I dont see how that can really happen. __________________ NYS Unrestricted \| PA CCP \| FL CCP NRA Member "Reading,Learning and Doing"

July 18, 2011, 10:07 AM	#157
kflo01 Member Join Date: December 2, 2010 Location: NY Posts: 61	"Nothing wrong with he Serpa. This guy is just a idiot. He doesn't know how to draw. He flips off the safety with the gun still in the holster. He engages the trigger the minute it clears the holster. I am curious as to what training he is referring to. He certainly didn't appear to have any. __________________" Nothing wrong with flipping the saftey off when the gun is in the holster, some guns dont even have safeties as you know but putting your fingeron the trigger that early is a no-no. That finger shouldnt be in that trigger guard until he is on getting his sight picture, sure of his target or about to fire. __________________ NYS Unrestricted \| PA CCP \| FL CCP NRA Member "Reading,Learning and Doing"

April 27, 2012, 08:36 PM	#161
badger2tony Junior Member Join Date: September 25, 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 12	LEO Shoot self A LEO shot himself at my range whilst using a borrowed SERPA. Minor as gun shots go, though he was hospitalized. I bought one for my Beretta clone, not realizing what it was. After a little practice, back to OpticsPlanet. Now banned at my range Tony

July 17, 2011, 09:30 AM	#151
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	Tex... I guess by his logic if you put a round in your leg you're a dynamic stress virgin. Lee Paige did a lot of things wrong leading up to him shooting himself. Having an ego that precludes having humility and respecting a very powerful tool was probably a contributing factor. The people who scare me the most are the ones who have an answer for everything, love to debate, love to hear themself talk, love to teach other people, but bristle at being told what to do. Eager to give instruction but reluctant to seek it is a bad combination.

April 26, 2012, 09:13 AM	#159
Denezin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 209	While i am all for firearm safety i have to go with human error on this one mixed with a poor design for a 1911 pistol its self. Any design that puts a pressure safety near a pressure required release isnt safe in my book. It maybe safe but its not human proof.

April 26, 2012, 03:13 PM	#160
ftttu Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2011 Posts: 226	I want to call my Blackhawk Serpa duty holster a "great holster" but I can't knowing that it is banned from some ranges, it can get fouled with snow, mud, and other debris and that if you aren't careful, can allow for an unintentional discharge. Knowing the above, I still love my holster. I can draw lightning fast and be on target when other officers are still monkeying with their holster's security mechanisms. I won't recommend it to everyone because there are those out there who can't hold a gun without putting their finger on the trigger. Also, if they put some membrane over the trigger finger release so it won't get fouled, then great.

April 28, 2012, 10:05 PM	#162
tazbigdog Member Join Date: March 7, 2011 Location: AZ Posts: 59	Got to this rodeo late. Looks like finger was on trigger when gun went off. (frame 0:27) __________________ "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience." Julius Caesar

April 28, 2012, 10:27 PM	#163
jhenry Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Location: Ozarks Posts: 1,840	In fact the gun is designed to go off when pressure is applied by the finger to the trigger. And it did. __________________ "A Liberal is someone who doesn't care what you do, as long as it's mandatory". - Charles Krauthammer

April 28, 2012, 11:10 PM	#164
KenW. Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2004 Posts: 163	The Serpa is safe provided you do not use the tip of your finger; use the pad and don't curl your finger. That keeps your finger out of the trigger guard on the draw. I've been using them since they first came out. 1911 then XDs. Never had one that used a thumb button thingy. Just the trigger guard latch.