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October 13, 2020, 10:42 PM | #51 | |
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Ready for what?
I'd say be ready for the ATF to change their mind about what is, and isn't a regulated item. And not just Shockwave owners, all of us. Even if you don't have the affected item, we are all affected by their ability to arbitrarily change rulings, definitions and enforcement. This is NOT A NEW THING, people... If you have a pistol with a brace on it, be prepared for that brace to be declared a stock, and as a stock, it becomes and NFA item. It may happen tomorrow, or next week or 6 years from now, or it may never happen, but be prepared IF it does. Because under the current system as allowed to operate they can change their minds any time, and as often as they feel like, or so it seems, to me.
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October 15, 2020, 03:06 AM | #55 | |
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Nobody listen to me tho, I was saying it would be better to have the then REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS pass a law adding them to the NFA (and in return removing suppressors) so the ATF wouldn't be given authority to make decisions because they can and will making rulings that greatly restrict gun rights.
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This isn't a matter of the ATF changing their mind. This is a matter of Q cutting corners and screwing customers as a result.
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October 15, 2020, 01:32 PM | #57 |
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Double Naught, the ATF changed their interpretation under pressure from the President. They still did it.
It is not just a matter of getting the ATF's OK. They can and do change their opinions without us having recourse or advanced notice. This is particularly problematic when their flip-flop can suddenly put us at risk of numerous 10 year prison sentences for something we were told was perfectly legal! |
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Good correction on Trump. Yep, they may. There is no evidence as of yet that this has happened on Q's brace. The ATF isn't after all braces, right? The did go after all bump stocks, however, but they aren't going after all braces.
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Has anybody heard any updates on this I keep seeing rumblings everywhere that the ATF is backing off , is that accurate ?
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There an article from the Washington examiner I read via citizen free press today that states a "delay", 60 days. No telling what's next though.
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October 16, 2020, 05:53 AM | #62 |
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Yep! ^^^^
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We have a winner!
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I saw a response from Q co. that they will not play that game and will not resume making the Honey Badger.
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I need to buy one of these things asap. It's got my favorite safety's name on it.
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October 19, 2020, 09:50 AM | #68 | |
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What is interesting to me about this board I guess is the deafening silence about what Biden will try to do and how the SCOTUS will come into play. Seems to me like the elephant in the room but maybe that's being moderated out?
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October 19, 2020, 10:07 AM | #69 | |
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All this business about how they could "reverse their decision" has never been in question. For that matter, they may choose to interpret any of the laws in a different manner, not just arm braces and shotgun 'firearms' and cause problems for the rest of us gun owners. Nobody seems to concerned about that...speaking of elephants in the room.
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Q shouldn't have to do their "due diligence" as has been stated. They used a brace that was constructed in a similar fashion to a brace that had a letter from the ATF. Logic (not reality, I know) should dictate that -- without set rules and guidance from the ATF -- a similar construction should fall into the same category as the approved stock. Complaints from the ATF were minor cosmetic differences that did nothing to change the actual function of the brace (smaller "ears" to wrap around the forearm) and a complete misapplication of their own regulation that was administrative in origin (length of pull less than 35.5" measured from the rearmost portion of the trigger straight back to the same plane as the end of the stock). The ATF has been tight lipped and refuses to come up with a set of specifications so to allow a company to function and invest significant capital into a product then pull the rug from under them is at best merely unfair and at worst malicious and possibly illegal overreach (which is the ATF as an entity, in my opinion, but the courts have yet to agree with this sentiment and likely never will).
Please see Colion's interview with SD Tactical over the arm brace and the ATF.
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Those are good points weedwacker but I’d like to point out that the anti’s new/old approach is to go after cosmetics as a prohibiting factor . Need not look any further then “assault rifle “ definitions . They include but are not limited to cosmetic features that have zero to do with the fundamentals of the firearm . With or with out these cosmetic features the firearms still operate the same . In many ways those same cosmetic features that some how turn a regular firearm into an assault rifle actually help the firearm be operated more safely .
I know by changing the configuration of my semi automatic center fire rifle from there definition of an assault rifle to one that is not . My rifle is now less safe because I no longer can easily reach the safety as originally designed . This type of thing is what often happens when people try to fix things they don’t understand. They make things worse only to then need another regulation to fix the problem they created .
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it is not being "moderated out" here, simply because its not being done here, though if it is, it would be. And infractions for rule violations would result. Lots and lots of other places on the internet for that discussion. The other point is that discussing what Biden (or Trump, or the Easter Bunney) MIGHT do if elected is just so much pure speculation, and a waste of bandwidth. They're all on record with what they SAY they will do. What they actually do is another matter. Quote:
The "new" definition I'm referring to is the "old" definition, of semi-automatic. As of the summer of 2019, EVERY semi automatic rifle in the state of Washington was legally redefined as a "semi automatic assault rifle" The law doing this used the simple base defintion of semi auto, "uses the energy of the fired round to reload the action" NO attempt was made to name or list cosmetic features at all. SO, ALL semi auto rifles are now "semi automatic assault rifles" no matter what features they have, or don't have. Fixed magazine .22s are covered. Your Rem 742 deer gun is covered, along with the more usual "evil" looking guns like ARs and AKs. EVERY SINGLE SEMI AUTO RIFLE is now an "assault rifle" under that law. The law is being challenged in court, due to other worse provisions in it, but so far, no ruling... Oh, and just FYI, that law was DEFEATED several times in the legislature. It got passed by voter initiative and the under educated and lied to people in the I-5 corridor made it law for the entire state...
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I am curious how Amy Coney Barrett looks at those types of things ? She says she likes to rule based on the text , While emphasizing she gives deference to duly elected legislatures because they are representing those that put ghem in office and the wording of the laws they produce . I have to assume based on all that , that she also takes into consideration The will of the voters themselves and what they vote into law
My thinking is that you have to start with the original text of the constitution then see if the legislature or the people themselves are keeping with that wording , at least I hope
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That's a serious question. As 44 AMP pointed out, it's all speculation. We can speculate 'til the cows come home, but we can't respond to speculation, except with more speculation. We can't mobilize to fight speculation. I have enough real problems on my plate every day of the week -- I don't need to speculate about what a Biden-Harris administration may try to do. It's pretty much a given that it will be anti-gun. But we know that, so that's enough to inform who we vote for to be the next president. Beyond that, I see no value whatsoever in trying to guess what they might do if elected. "The devil is in the details." Until they get elected and put forth some proposed legislation, there's nothing more to discuss. IMHO. YMMV.
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