Conversion Factor for Hodgdon Triple 7

Minorcan · June 29, 2019, 09:55 PM

I have used Goex fffg in my black powder revolvers but would like to use Hodgdon Triple 7. I use flasks with volumetric spouts that deliver a designated weight in grains of powder. I know that Triple 7 weighs less but is more energetic. I also know that grains are weight but since the spouts are made to deliver a certain weight in grains of black powder what conversion factor should I use for Triple 7? For example say I use a 20 grain spout for my Goex fffg what spout size should I use for a Triple 7?

Fingers McGee · June 29, 2019, 10:50 PM

I'd use a 20 grain spout. I gave up on all the hoopla on concerning T7 grains out of a spout compared to FFFG of real BP regardless of manufacturer. IIRC Hodgdon loading data used to say that to equal a particular load of real BP, you should reduce the T7 load by 15%.

Here's is a link to the the Hodgdon T7 & Pyrodex data:

https://www.hodgdon.com/wp-content/u...anual_2008.pdf

Minorcan · June 30, 2019, 06:46 AM

Thanks Fingers, the link is comparing Pyrodex and T7 to each other not to Goex. It

The density of T7 is much less than Goex but supposedly produces higher pressures. If you reduce the grains by 15% the volume may still be similar for some loads. I guess what I’m asking is when they designed T7 and Pyrodex did they formulate it and adjust their density so that an equal volume measure would equal thee same pressures/power?

44 Dave · June 30, 2019, 09:46 AM

I use a piece of plastic straw cut to fit inside a spout when I want to reduce the charge by a few grains.

Hawg · June 30, 2019, 11:06 AM

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the link is comparing Pyrodex and T7 to each other not to Goex.

Pyrodex is a straight across replacement for real bp by volume. To make an equal load with T7 you need to reduce it 15% by volume.

Fingers McGee · June 30, 2019, 11:30 AM

Didn't say the Hodgdon data compared to BP. You'd need to get loading data for whatever brand of BP you were going to use and compare the two. I do not know offhand of anyone that has run such a comparison.

Minorcan · June 30, 2019, 12:31 PM

Thanx much Hawg! That’s what I was trying to understand.

rodwhaincamo · July 1, 2019, 11:38 AM

Hodgdon’s info regarding the 15% reduction was stated prior to Swiss being more common here and the creation of Olde Eynsford by Goex, which both actually tend to produce slightly higher velocities compared to T7. However I’ve also seen that even with a 15% reduction T7 was well beyond was standard Goex produced. Only actual testing would provide anyone with the actual differences. I’d think a 15% reduction would be a sound place to begin though.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LP_dwo2nThA

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June 29, 2019, 09:55 PM	#1
Minorcan Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2015 Posts: 379	Conversion Factor for Hodgdon Triple 7 I have used Goex fffg in my black powder revolvers but would like to use Hodgdon Triple 7. I use flasks with volumetric spouts that deliver a designated weight in grains of powder. I know that Triple 7 weighs less but is more energetic. I also know that grains are weight but since the spouts are made to deliver a certain weight in grains of black powder what conversion factor should I use for Triple 7? For example say I use a 20 grain spout for my Goex fffg what spout size should I use for a Triple 7?

June 29, 2019, 10:50 PM	#2
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	I'd use a 20 grain spout. I gave up on all the hoopla on concerning T7 grains out of a spout compared to FFFG of real BP regardless of manufacturer. IIRC Hodgdon loading data used to say that to equal a particular load of real BP, you should reduce the T7 load by 15%. Here's is a link to the the Hodgdon T7 & Pyrodex data: https://www.hodgdon.com/wp-content/u...anual_2008.pdf __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce

June 30, 2019, 06:46 AM	#3
Minorcan Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2015 Posts: 379	Thanks Fingers, the link is comparing Pyrodex and T7 to each other not to Goex. It The density of T7 is much less than Goex but supposedly produces higher pressures. If you reduce the grains by 15% the volume may still be similar for some loads. I guess what I’m asking is when they designed T7 and Pyrodex did they formulate it and adjust their density so that an equal volume measure would equal thee same pressures/power? Last edited by Minorcan; June 30, 2019 at 07:10 AM.

June 30, 2019, 11:30 AM	#6
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	Didn't say the Hodgdon data compared to BP. You'd need to get loading data for whatever brand of BP you were going to use and compare the two. I do not know offhand of anyone that has run such a comparison. __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce

June 30, 2019, 09:46 AM	#4
44 Dave Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2013 Posts: 584	I use a piece of plastic straw cut to fit inside a spout when I want to reduce the charge by a few grains.

June 30, 2019, 12:31 PM	#7
Minorcan Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2015 Posts: 379	Thanx much Hawg! That’s what I was trying to understand.

July 1, 2019, 11:38 AM	#8
rodwhaincamo Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,246	Hodgdon’s info regarding the 15% reduction was stated prior to Swiss being more common here and the creation of Olde Eynsford by Goex, which both actually tend to produce slightly higher velocities compared to T7. However I’ve also seen that even with a 15% reduction T7 was well beyond was standard Goex produced. Only actual testing would provide anyone with the actual differences. I’d think a 15% reduction would be a sound place to begin though. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LP_dwo2nThA gas stations open near me