Cheap auction HD gun

Hellbent11 · November 12, 2008, 10:44 PM

For budget reasons I'm looking for a cheap home defense scattergun in the $200 range. There is an auction coming up in my area and the guns I've been considering are as follows: Winchester Model 12 and Model 1200, Remington model 11 (auto 5 clone) and a Remington model 4.

Would the old auto guns (Rem model 11 and model 4) take 2 3/4" OO buck/occasional slugs OK?

I'd love a model 12 but they are iffy on the price I can pay...

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks, Hellbent

Hellbent11 · November 12, 2008, 10:56 PM

Correction...I think? The "remington model 4" as the auction company calls it "looks" like an auto 5 but in a riot gun configuration... What is this thing really?

I think it's a model 11?

Would this thing handle OO buck in 2 3/4"? and not blow up?

Scattergun Bob · November 12, 2008, 10:56 PM

The model 11 would be a interesting HD gun, I have had several of them and for one reason or another let them go. I would look for one that does not have a full choke.

Model 4 shotgun? you stumped me.

Model 12 I have seen several m-12's at the last gun show in that price range, not much finish left but still serviceable. Most at that price seem to have a cut down barrel and some form of POLY choke.

Winchester 1400 is a good solid auto and would again work as a HD gun, try to find a less restricted barrel and $200 should do for the gun in good shape.

Good Luck and find a jewel!

T191032 · November 12, 2008, 11:14 PM

"Correction...I think? The "remington model 4" as the auction company calls it "looks" like an auto 5 but in a riot gun configuration... What is this thing really?"

Model 11/48 maybe. . .it was the transitional shotgun from the Browning-designed, Remington-produced Model 11 and the forthcoming 1100 semi-automatic. The old 11/48 had a distinct look to it.

As for your ammunition concerns, shouldn't be a problem. A nice Winchester model 12 would be good with tactical buckshot. A semi-auto would likely need full power buckshot.

hogdogs · November 12, 2008, 11:41 PM

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/prod...ducts_id=84624
Brand spanking new and only the first site I chose has this beauty at $203...
Brent

Scattergun Bob · November 13, 2008, 01:00 AM

Brent, you own stock in mossberg don't you, I knew it!!!

$203 is a fantastic price, transfer, tax and shipping what about $265, for a new gun!!!

hogdogs · November 13, 2008, 01:05 AM

SGB, I wish I did... I am just a devout believer in BANG for the buck and you will find out I only endorse products, tactics and theories I whole heartedly believe in. For the durability, functionality and cost the Mossberg family of shotguns is the only choice for my wallet.
Brent

scorpion_tyr · November 13, 2008, 01:13 AM

You can pick up an H&R Pardner Pump, 18", 5 round tube, black for about $130-$150 at any Academy Sports and Outdoors. That's what I got to fill the HD shotgun hole until my wife will let me upgrade.

hogdogs · November 13, 2008, 01:15 AM

But them Pardner pumps are chinese if'n ya'll care.
Brent

scorpion_tyr · November 13, 2008, 02:55 AM

Yeah, I will admit that if I had noticed the "Made in China" mark I probably wouldn't have bought it. Unfortunately it was the first thing I saw when I took it out of the box at home. At the time I was looking for an immediate HD shotgun for around $200. As soon as I can make the numbers work I plan on upgrading to a Reminton 870. American made, and plenty of add-ons, althought the only thing I plan on doing is adding a shell holder on the stock, some low light or night sights, and maybe a flashlight. The 870 was what I originally wanted, but I found out the price had gone up a little since I was 18.

MAX100 · November 13, 2008, 04:25 AM

I don't make excuses for owning Norinco shotguns. They are a hell of a deal for the money and offer more than a 870 Express. I own a Pardner Protector and a Norinco 982 (ghost ring sights). I like them better than an 870. I also own a Mak 90 AK and they are excellent.

Remington H&R pays Hawk Ind to import the PP from China and backs them with their excellent warranty.

This well made shotgun in this thread link is a Canada imported Norinco made shotgun. Basically the same shotgun as the Norinco 981 (bead sight) with the barrel ring lowered to the same location as on the 870.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=278347

The $200 Norinco 982 with GRS is the best deal going in a tactical. The 7+1 tube ext is an add on. Metal trigger guard, Machined extractor & ejector thicker high carbon steel receiver, excellent set of ghost ring sights.

My Norinco 982. I have had it for about 6 years and put thousands of rounds through it. Never a problem. It will cycle any brand ammo. Even the Winchester value packs that some 870 shotguns will choke on. It has a Vang Safety, Factory heat shield & forend, Laserlyte tri rail mount. One of my 7+1 tube ext I make for the 870 & Norinco shotguns.

GC

scorpion_tyr · November 13, 2008, 04:55 AM

I didn't mean to sound like I was bashing China or any particular brand. I've always heard really good things about Norinco. I just prefer American made is all.

MAX100 · November 13, 2008, 06:04 AM

You sound like in your post you are apologizing for buying a Pardner Pump. I don't worry about what anyone thinks; I buy what I want too.

Out the 11 firearms you listed that you own 2 are American made.

GC

wnycollector · November 13, 2008, 05:20 PM

+1 on the maverick 88 reccomendation. I have put ~ 1000 trouble free rounds through my 20" 7+1 maverick. I paid ~$210otd for mine last year.

Katrina Guy · November 15, 2008, 06:09 PM

Or posted at that price on the Academy.com website anyway.

November 12, 2008, 10:44 PM	#1
Hellbent11 Member Join Date: August 9, 2008 Posts: 53	Cheap auction HD gun For budget reasons I'm looking for a cheap home defense scattergun in the $200 range. There is an auction coming up in my area and the guns I've been considering are as follows: Winchester Model 12 and Model 1200, Remington model 11 (auto 5 clone) and a Remington model 4. Would the old auto guns (Rem model 11 and model 4) take 2 3/4" OO buck/occasional slugs OK? I'd love a model 12 but they are iffy on the price I can pay... Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Hellbent __________________ The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!

November 12, 2008, 10:56 PM	#2
Hellbent11 Member Join Date: August 9, 2008 Posts: 53	Correction...I think? The "remington model 4" as the auction company calls it "looks" like an auto 5 but in a riot gun configuration... What is this thing really? I think it's a model 11? Would this thing handle OO buck in 2 3/4"? and not blow up? __________________ The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!

November 12, 2008, 10:56 PM	#3
Scattergun Bob Senior Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, Washington Posts: 1,186	Hellbent11 The model 11 would be a interesting HD gun, I have had several of them and for one reason or another let them go. I would look for one that does not have a full choke. Model 4 shotgun? you stumped me. Model 12 I have seen several m-12's at the last gun show in that price range, not much finish left but still serviceable. Most at that price seem to have a cut down barrel and some form of POLY choke. Winchester 1400 is a good solid auto and would again work as a HD gun, try to find a less restricted barrel and $200 should do for the gun in good shape. Good Luck and find a jewel! __________________ First, with the most, WINS! Regards, Scattergun Bob

November 12, 2008, 11:14 PM	#4
T191032 Member Join Date: January 22, 2008 Location: Shenandoah Valley of VA Posts: 87	A 11/48 maybe. "Correction...I think? The "remington model 4" as the auction company calls it "looks" like an auto 5 but in a riot gun configuration... What is this thing really?" Model 11/48 maybe. . .it was the transitional shotgun from the Browning-designed, Remington-produced Model 11 and the forthcoming 1100 semi-automatic. The old 11/48 had a distinct look to it. As for your ammunition concerns, shouldn't be a problem. A nice Winchester model 12 would be good with tactical buckshot. A semi-auto would likely need full power buckshot.

November 13, 2008, 01:00 AM	#6
Scattergun Bob Senior Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, Washington Posts: 1,186	Dogs Brent, you own stock in mossberg don't you, I knew it!!! $203 is a fantastic price, transfer, tax and shipping what about $265, for a new gun!!! __________________ First, with the most, WINS! Regards, Scattergun Bob

November 12, 2008, 11:41 PM	#5
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/prod...ducts_id=84624 Brand spanking new and only the first site I chose has this beauty at $203... Brent

November 13, 2008, 01:05 AM	#7
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	SGB, I wish I did... I am just a devout believer in BANG for the buck and you will find out I only endorse products, tactics and theories I whole heartedly believe in. For the durability, functionality and cost the Mossberg family of shotguns is the only choice for my wallet. Brent

November 13, 2008, 01:13 AM	#8
scorpion_tyr Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2008 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,326	You can pick up an H&R Pardner Pump, 18", 5 round tube, black for about $130-$150 at any Academy Sports and Outdoors. That's what I got to fill the HD shotgun hole until my wife will let me upgrade. __________________ “Nature intended me for the tranquil pursuits of science, by rendering them my supreme delight.” - Thomas Jefferson

November 13, 2008, 01:15 AM	#9
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	But them Pardner pumps are chinese if'n ya'll care. Brent

November 13, 2008, 02:55 AM	#10
scorpion_tyr Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2008 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,326	Yeah, I will admit that if I had noticed the "Made in China" mark I probably wouldn't have bought it. Unfortunately it was the first thing I saw when I took it out of the box at home. At the time I was looking for an immediate HD shotgun for around $200. As soon as I can make the numbers work I plan on upgrading to a Reminton 870. American made, and plenty of add-ons, althought the only thing I plan on doing is adding a shell holder on the stock, some low light or night sights, and maybe a flashlight. The 870 was what I originally wanted, but I found out the price had gone up a little since I was 18. __________________ “Nature intended me for the tranquil pursuits of science, by rendering them my supreme delight.” - Thomas Jefferson

November 13, 2008, 04:25 AM	#11
MAX100 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: SC- at the GUN-CONNECTION Posts: 359	I don't make excuses for owning Norinco shotguns. They are a hell of a deal for the money and offer more than a 870 Express. I own a Pardner Protector and a Norinco 982 (ghost ring sights). I like them better than an 870. I also own a Mak 90 AK and they are excellent. Remington H&R pays Hawk Ind to import the PP from China and backs them with their excellent warranty. This well made shotgun in this thread link is a Canada imported Norinco made shotgun. Basically the same shotgun as the Norinco 981 (bead sight) with the barrel ring lowered to the same location as on the 870. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=278347 The $200 Norinco 982 with GRS is the best deal going in a tactical. The 7+1 tube ext is an add on. Metal trigger guard, Machined extractor & ejector thicker high carbon steel receiver, excellent set of ghost ring sights. My Norinco 982. I have had it for about 6 years and put thousands of rounds through it. Never a problem. It will cycle any brand ammo. Even the Winchester value packs that some 870 shotguns will choke on. It has a Vang Safety, Factory heat shield & forend, Laserlyte tri rail mount. One of my 7+1 tube ext I make for the 870 & Norinco shotguns. GC __________________ ==GUN CONNECTION== [email protected] Last edited by MAX100; November 13, 2008 at 04:35 AM.

November 13, 2008, 04:55 AM	#12
scorpion_tyr Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2008 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,326	I didn't mean to sound like I was bashing China or any particular brand. I've always heard really good things about Norinco. I just prefer American made is all. __________________ “Nature intended me for the tranquil pursuits of science, by rendering them my supreme delight.” - Thomas Jefferson

November 13, 2008, 06:04 AM	#13
MAX100 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: SC- at the GUN-CONNECTION Posts: 359	You sound like in your post you are apologizing for buying a Pardner Pump. I don't worry about what anyone thinks; I buy what I want too. Out the 11 firearms you listed that you own 2 are American made. GC __________________ ==GUN CONNECTION== [email protected] Last edited by MAX100; November 13, 2008 at 06:11 AM.

November 13, 2008, 05:20 PM	#14
wnycollector Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2007 Posts: 1,996	+1 on the maverick 88 reccomendation. I have put ~ 1000 trouble free rounds through my 20" 7+1 maverick. I paid ~$210otd for mine last year.

November 15, 2008, 06:09 PM	#15
Katrina Guy Junior member Join Date: July 2, 2006 Posts: 315	$179. Maverick HD at Academy Or posted at that price on the Academy.com website anyway.