What am I missing - New Cartridge

[taylorce1]

Originally Posted by Right to bear arms

You probably already bought your new rifle.

He did, a Ruger No.1 in .270 Win.

[USAF Ret]

Originally Posted by taylorce1

He did, a Ruger No.1 in .270 Win.

Yes sir. It arrived at the LGS yesterday, i will be going tomorrow to pick it up.

[Right to bear arms]

Good choice! If you had a man bun you could have got a 6.5 creedmore!

[USAF Ret]

Originally Posted by Right to bear arms

Good choice! If you had a man bun you could have got a 6.5 creedmore!

Well, I have two. Diversity and Inclusion you know.

[MarkCO]

Lot's of new stuff out there. Been looking. Something that has good knockdown power (elk size), flat shooter (maximum point blank out to 400) and recoil that is manageable. 6.5 PRC has caught my eye and seems to be offered in most rifles now.

When someone says Elk, I go to 7mm as the minimum. So a 7PRC would be a better choice over the 6.5PRC (for me). Or, the sleeper .280AI.

I didn't say the PRC wasn't the winner on paper. All I'm saying is you have elk covered, and 19 yards and 194 ft-lbs isn't going to make you not get an elk. I also said get a PRC if you really want it.

Yes, for all practical purposes, you have Elk covered to 400 yards no sweat. IMHO, you really should be looking at either a larger diameter, or longer range to separate from the .270 and 6.5s.

280AI is about 7mm Mag ballistics, based on the .30-06 case. Better case life, more efficient and easy to reload as opposed to the belteds. Now, what is better, a .280AI or a 7PRC. Well, on paper, the 7PRC wins. In practicality, the .280AI will be cheaper to load for. .280Rems actually shoot well out of them, to form the brass.

For Elk, again, IMHO, I want 7mm or better in caliber, 30 better, so maybe 300PRC, or bump up to another personal favorite, the .338-06. I love mine, and while I will take a 6.5 for my Cow Elk shortly, it is only since I recently had two discs replaced in my neck. Match rifle, comp and tripod...minimizing the recoil is paramount based on surgeon's orders.

[USAF Ret]

Originally Posted by MarkCO

When someone says Elk, I go to 7mm as the minimum. So a 7PRC would be a better choice over the 6.5PRC (for me). Or, the sleeper .280AI.



Yes, for all practical purposes, you have Elk covered to 400 yards no sweat. IMHO, you really should be looking at either a larger diameter, or longer range to separate from the .270 and 6.5s.

280AI is about 7mm Mag ballistics, based on the .30-06 case. Better case life, more efficient and easy to reload as opposed to the belteds. Now, what is better, a .280AI or a 7PRC. Well, on paper, the 7PRC wins. In practicality, the .280AI will be cheaper to load for. .280Rems actually shoot well out of them, to form the brass.

For Elk, again, IMHO, I want 7mm or better in caliber, 30 better, so maybe 300PRC, or bump up to another personal favorite, the .338-06. I love mine, and while I will take a 6.5 for my Cow Elk shortly, it is only since I recently had two discs replaced in my neck. Match rifle, comp and tripod...minimizing the recoil is paramount based on surgeon's orders.

My range of cartridges are 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 Creedmoor, 270 WIN, 308 WIN and 30-30. Everyone has really sold me on the 270 meeting my needs. I do here many say that the 280 AI is an awesome round and I reload.

[MarkCO]

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editor...-review/385909

[USAF Ret]

Originally Posted by MarkCO

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editor...-review/385909

This may be an undertaking one day. Right now I would need to offload some things to even start getting into an expense like that. Rifles are expensive and my gosh, 50 pieces of brass is over $80.

[USAF Ret]

MarkCO, so I saw a Carolina Precision in 280 AI. It stated that you could also shoot 280 Rem and 7mm Express in the same rifle. Would that be true for other rifles in 280 AI?

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=102146001

"CHAMBERRED IN THE FLAT SHOOTING .280 ACKLEY IMPROVED,WHICH STANDARD .280 REM/7MM EXPRESS CAN BE FIRED!"

[MarkCO]

Yes. While there are two chamber dimensions for the 280AI, both can use the other two, which have the same case dimensions. I've found decent accuracy from the .280 Rem, fireforming to 280AI. Like around 1 to 1.2 MOA. Plenty for Deer inside 300 yards. My 280AI is around 0.35 MOA.

[Red Devil]

Originally Posted by USAF Ret

My range of cartridges are 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 Creedmoor, 270 WIN, 308 WIN and 30-30. Everyone has really sold me on the 270 meeting my needs. I do here many say that the 280 AI is an awesome round and I reload.

You won't notice a spit of difference b/t the .270 Win and the .280 AI inside of 400 yards (except a little extra recoil),

... and neither will the game.

If it shoots good with good bullets? You're done.




Red

[USAF Ret]

Originally Posted by Red Devil

You won't notice a spit of difference b/t the .270 Win and the .280 AI inside of 400 yards (except a little extra recoil),

... and neither will the game.

If it shoots good with good bullets? You're done.




Red

And, there I am back with the 270. Haha.

[old roper]

USAF RET, There are (2) 280AI.

https://www.redding-reloading.com/te...33-280-changes.

I have both. There difference. One is Saami spec other is wildcat. Redding no longer makes die for wildcat. The wildcat, I fire from using 280 case other one I started with Nosler 280AI brass and I've never fire form case in spec 280AI. I'm now using Peterson brass in spec 280AI.

The problem Redding ran into was using same die # for both dies. 75428 for body die Category II 280 Remington IMP 40. 74528 Body Die Category 1 280 ACK IMP.

I'm not going to write anything about loads in wildcat. I build my spec for bull elk got 27 1/2" Lilja barrel.

[Right to bear arms]

Comparison between .308 and 6.5 creedmoor

[taylorce1]

@ RTBA, oldie but goodie!

[GeauxTide]

I really like the 6.8 Western, but it seems to have had a steep falling off and Winchester and Browning seem to be the only rifles offering chamberings in this cartridge.

They are the only ones offering ammo, too. Hornady will not produce bullets, dies or cases, which is a big statement to it's viability. I had a 6.5-06 built back in the 80s. I had it throated for 140 Partitions to the base of the neck. Velocity was 2935 with H4831. Uses 06 brass. I also bought an expander that was much easier going from 25 to 264 than sizing down from 30-06.

[reynolds357]

Originally Posted by GeauxTide

They are the only ones offering ammo, too. Hornady will not produce bullets, dies or cases, which is a big statement to it's viability. I had a 6.5-06 built back in the 80s. I had it throated for 140 Partitions to the base of the neck. Velocity was 2935 with H4831. Uses 06 brass. I also bought an expander that was much easier going from 25 to 264 than sizing down from 30-06.

Hornady won't produce because it is competition to the 6.5 and most importantly, the brand new 7 PRC.
Winchester is more than capable of supporting the 6.8 Western. Hornady definitely not the only game in town.
If I wanted a 6.8 Western, I would buy the Rifle, 240 pieces of ammo, a set of dies, and be set until the barrel was shot out regardless of whether or not it "makes it" very long. The 350 Legend started out slow as well, but now it sells like Ice water in the desert. I am not even in a straight wall state and my local Walmart has six different 350 L ammo and sells all of it quick.

[Mike Irwin]

Go big or go home!

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...c289_p1_o6.cfm

[Mike Irwin]

OK, double rifles aside, given your criteria, I'd likely be looking to add something like a .338 Magnum.

The .338 is a wonderful cartridge and really suitable for anything in North America.

That said, the biggest problem with the .338 is that most of the available rifles are too light, which can really amp up the felt recoil. Adding weight, a muzzle brake, or a good decelerator recoil pad (or a combination of the three) can really tame the recoil.

[Paul B.]

I kind of found this interesting from the Shooting Times article.

"Then, in 2019, Hornady introduced a 162-grain ELD-X bullet loaded in the .280 AI, adding it to the excellent Precision Hunter line of ammunition. Factory data has it exiting the muzzle at 2,850 fps, just 90 fps slower than the same bullet in Hornady’s 7mm Remington Magnum ammo."

My custom .280 Remington, standard, not an AI, will run the old style two core 160 gr. Speer Grand Slam at 2907 FPS from its 24" barrel. Accuracy is superb at .75" or less mostly less. But I guess most here already know that SAAMI specs for the .28- Rem. are not at full potential. I use a powder no longer available, Winchester's Magnum Rifle. or WMR if you prefer. Winchester nickel brass, WLR primer the Speer bullet mentioned and 57.8 gr. WMR. Case life has been excellent with primer pockets still nice and tight after five reloads.

FWIW, I got similar velocities with IMR 7828 Ssc but accuracy was lacking.
Paul B.

[USAF Ret]

Originally Posted by Right to bear arms

Comparison between .308 and 6.5 creedmoor

That's funny right there. Whether you own one or not.

[USAF Ret]

Was talking with my local LGS/Smith today. We were chatting about the calibers we have and rifles that sit in the safe and hardly get touched. Went into retail therapy (still there I reckon) after my son passed away over a year ago. Bought a lot of stuff he and I would have talked about or thought was cool. I reckon that's why I was looking for another new and shiny thing.

I was intrigued with the 6.5 Grendel. Built an AR and bought a HOWA bolt action, ammo and reloading dies. I have only shot those rifles a couple of times since I got them and they have been in the safe since. Been shooting 308 and 270 much more than anything. 6.5 Creedmoor now and again, but the other two much more.

Been blessed this year to be able to go deer hunting with his best friend quite a bit. No shots would be over 250 yards. One blind would be best suited for my 30-30 as the primary shooting lane is out to about 80 yards.

Might be getting to do an elk and antelope hunt in WY next year if the Lord sees fit and the 270 or 308 will be my choices for that as well.

As my emotions settle down (depending on the day), got me debating the need for much of what I have. I kind of bounce back and forth, but always go back to the 270 and 308. 30-30 is a keeper, because it's a lever gun and those are cool. And it was my son's favorite. Have done the same with pistols as well.

Nobody to leave anything to. Most that had meaning and a connection with him were transferred to the friends he loved the most.

[USAF Ret]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder45

A 22 LR rimfire, a 30-30 Winchester or Marlin, a model 70 Winchester in 270 or 30-'06, a lever action rifle or carbine in the same caliber as your revolver. If you have those bases covered, then spend the rest of it taking your wife to Kauai, or spend it on your truck. Either one likely needs it more than you need another gun.

Yeah, seeing this more and more Pathfinder.

[MarkCO]

Nobody to leave anything to. Most that had meaning and a connection with him were transferred to the friends he loved the most.

Very cool. I can't even comprehend what that loss would be like.

[USAF Ret]

Originally Posted by MarkCO

Very cool. I can't even comprehend what that loss would be like.

Thanks Mark, I would not wish it on my worst enemy. Not only lost my son, but my best friend.