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Old October 12, 2013, 12:56 PM   #1
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Ohio 2nd Amendment Legislation

Hello,
There is a piece of legislation here in Ohio that would benefit our 2nd Amendment Right if you would help. Several states along with counties in others have adopted similar legislation, which makes further Federal Gun Laws illegal. We all know what many groups and the current administration want, ad that's our firearms.
Ohio has two Bills in separate Committees. Right now HB 99 is scheduled for a hearing on the 29th of this month. It would make it a crime for the Fed. Govt. to try to enact their laws on Ohioans. Nullification of future Fed. gun grabbing. The info can be found on the state website under HB 99 in the "State and Local Government Committee" PLEASE, find the committee, click on each members pic and their contact info will open. PLEASE call or email and urge each member to SUPPORT HB 99. This can be passed from what several legislators have told me & the Governor would sign it.
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Old October 12, 2013, 01:25 PM   #2
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"It would make it a crime for the Fed. Govt. to try to enact their laws on Ohioans."

Uh, yeah, good luck with that. Al McGuire once said "the world is run by C students", a grade some Ohio legislators could only dream about.

Article VI, Clause 2: This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

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Old October 12, 2013, 04:34 PM   #3
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Uh, yeah, good luck with that. Al McGuire once said "the world is run by C students", a grade some Ohio legislators could only dream about.

Article VI, Clause 2: This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
And the crux of the issue will be, of course, the determination of whether or not the laws the various states are trying to disallow are (or will be) found to have been enacted "in pursuance of" the Constitution. Naturally, the feral .gov is going to claim that its laws take precedence over any contrary state laws, and the state(s) will counter that the law (or laws) they don't want enforced within their borders are unconstitutional (and, thus, were not enacted "in pursuance of" the Constitution) -- and the whole mess will end up in court, making more caselaw for Al Norris to keep track of for us.
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Old October 12, 2013, 11:40 PM   #4
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Any new laws will end up in court no matter what legislation Ohio passes. All this legislation can possibly achieve is legal bills for Ohio taxpayers and $$$ to the politically connected lawyers who will litigate it. It will have no effect whatsoever on gun rights for Ohio residents.
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Old October 13, 2013, 12:47 AM   #5
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Isn't there a separate Bill to increase the rights of the CC Holder to include what is being described "as stand your ground"? Or is that one on the same bill?

I remember reading it and it seems to increase the cause or places in wich there would be no duty to retreat and add protections from presecution under said amendments.
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Old October 13, 2013, 01:52 PM   #6
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Always fun to be lectured by someone in Illinois on the subject of firearms laws. You clean up your house. We'll take care of ours.
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Old October 13, 2013, 02:40 PM   #7
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"Always fun to be lectured by someone in Illinois on the subject of firearms laws. You clean up your house. We'll take care of ours."

I'll happily await your detailed legal theory on how a law in Ohio supersedes the US Constitution and federal law. But I have a feeling I'll be waiting a long, long time.

eta: and if your end game is establishing precedent that any US state can indeed pass laws contrary to federal law and the US Constitution then you've just made is so every state can ignore the 2nd Amendment. I don't think you or the Ohio legislators floating this bill have thought this through.
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