This is Why You Should Research Your Firearms Instructors

Dragline45 · March 19, 2015, 08:28 PM

Over the past decade there seems to be slew of people who think they are qualified to be firearms instructors because they either took a couple classes themselves, are vets, LEO's or a number of other reasons. This particular guy Dallas Lloyd who is an Army vet and claims to train law enforcement is the perfect reason to research an instructor before you spend your hard earned money on their classes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bm3GgDxPOM

1. Your first plan should be to floor it and get out of there

2. You want to keep your eyes on the threat as much as possible, by the time you jump through the back seat and lean out the door, you have no idea where the threat now is to engage.

3. Everyone knows car doors do not stop bullets, it would make far more sense to take cover behind the truck itself if you need to bail out of the car.

4. Never throw your gun on the ground

5. Ditch the Hondo roll

Venom1956 · March 20, 2015, 01:30 AM

personally i like to roll the windows down on all 3 doors first then drop my pistol to the ground thru the window then do the tactical fat lazy bellyflop out of the car before i try and find my gun. I also have firearm classes.

g.willikers · March 20, 2015, 08:09 AM

"Yesterday I couldn't even spell 'instructor' and now I are one."
Hmm, think I'll try that, right after first seeing if my chiropractor will be available.

Sharkbite · March 20, 2015, 08:23 AM

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Over the past decade there seems to be slew of people who think they are qualified to be firearms instructors because they either took a couple classes themselves, are vets, LEO's or a number of other reasons

Boy, i couldnt agree MORE.

The fact that you can do something, does NOT mean you can TEACH it. Ive seen lots of guys that are GREAT tactically, but couldnt teach anything of value.

Unfortunately, for the next 10 years or so the firearms training industry will be full of guys that did a tour "in the sandbox" and now have their own training company.

For those of us with legitimate training backgrounds this is a frustrating turn of events. With so much smoke, it hard to find the fire.

1-DAB · March 20, 2015, 09:45 AM

oh dear.

have read several discussions on training lately, and they bring to mind the requirement for 'continuing education' for some professionals (including engineers). at some point, you exhaust courses that apply to your field of work, so you end up having to take unrelated courses just to keep your professional license current. wasting time and money along the way.

i can see some doofus pushing for continuing training for CCW holders, requiring everyone to fulfill some arbitrary list of required courses.

not good.

two aspects in play: how much training do you need for your own purposes, and how much can you prove you have taken? you can learn plenty from others without getting some certificate to hang on your wall.

Vt.birdhunter · March 20, 2015, 11:09 AM

He forgot to check his tire pressure when he was down there

armoredman · March 20, 2015, 11:24 AM

People keep telling me they want to be an "operator". I said I didn't know the phone company was hiring...

Willie Lowman · March 20, 2015, 12:05 PM

Should have called a real operator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08kSncpUnUo

motorhead0922 · March 20, 2015, 12:28 PM

Hey, at least when he was hanging from the door all his brass went in one neat pile.

Venom1956 · March 20, 2015, 12:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvzmW829KIE

Son of Liberty · March 20, 2015, 01:03 PM

I was waiting for the guy to shoot his front tire.

Nlight1 · March 20, 2015, 01:37 PM

Mat Best is brilliant.

Double Naught Spy · March 20, 2015, 02:31 PM

I can't believe you would post the Dallas Lloyd video without posting his rebuttal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B7JLwdmrq4

See, it all makes perfect sense, right?

Limnophile · March 20, 2015, 04:40 PM

I'm thinking of quitting my range, because they don't have a treadmill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NguwoQ6BnFA.

1-DAB · March 20, 2015, 04:51 PM

looks like a good way to shoot someone else.

how about swings? jungle gyms? carousels? little rocking horses? climbing walls?

good grief.

you would think they make up stuff just to fill time and make their 'class' seem like you got your money's worth.

Seaman · March 20, 2015, 06:07 PM

If the SHTF, wouldn't mind having either of those two gents riding shotgun.

""When your best defense is a quick, hard offense, the lessons learned here may prove invaluable. This is a "no holds barred" training area."" *[The Firing Line, Tactics and Training Forum]

Check your 6.

PS: Gotta try one of those treadmills...

Shadi Khalil · March 21, 2015, 08:31 PM

Such buffoonery could only be taught at a clown college.

Targa · March 21, 2015, 10:51 PM

He stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.

**JohnKSa** · March 21, 2015, 11:13 PM

Training is like any other commodity you can purchase. It comes in a range of quality and price. These days it's a lot easier to evaluate the quality of firearms training than it has ever been.

When you train to do something, think what sort of options you are eliminating by carrying through the action. For example, by getting out of the driver's seat to carry out his tactifoolery, the person in the video eliminated the option of being able to move the vehicle rapidly if necessary. By unlocking/opening the doors, he eliminated a layer of access protection between himself and those outside his vehicle. Don't take this paragraph as an enumerated, exhaustive list of the errors made in the video, it's just a comment about something I've been thinking about lately.

Model12Win · March 21, 2015, 11:46 PM

I can't believe I just watched that! It seems like it could only be a joke or parody, but it's real??

armoredman · March 21, 2015, 11:49 PM

Tactical gun drop/belly flop. Such wonders of tactical wizardry...

OnTheFly · March 22, 2015, 12:25 AM

This video makes me sick every time I see it. Notice that the comments have been turned of for this video...I wonder why? :roll eyes:

https://youtu.be/xGjBPBJ8CVs

Fly

FrankenMauser · March 22, 2015, 01:06 AM

You do realize that the first video was a joke, right?

And the "rebuttal" was just him trolling the people that freaked out about it.

**JohnKSa** · March 22, 2015, 02:21 AM

I sincerely hope you're right.

MarkDozier · March 22, 2015, 03:58 AM

OntheFly is right, that vid is ugly. Especially near the end with the 3 monkeys playing at clearing. Noticed the first guy in and then he stands with his back in the doorway. There would be at least 2 dead in the team.

March 19, 2015, 08:28 PM	#1
Dragline45 Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2010 Posts: 3,513	This is Why You Should Research Your Firearms Instructors Over the past decade there seems to be slew of people who think they are qualified to be firearms instructors because they either took a couple classes themselves, are vets, LEO's or a number of other reasons. This particular guy Dallas Lloyd who is an Army vet and claims to train law enforcement is the perfect reason to research an instructor before you spend your hard earned money on their classes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bm3GgDxPOM 1. Your first plan should be to floor it and get out of there 2. You want to keep your eyes on the threat as much as possible, by the time you jump through the back seat and lean out the door, you have no idea where the threat now is to engage. 3. Everyone knows car doors do not stop bullets, it would make far more sense to take cover behind the truck itself if you need to bail out of the car. 4. Never throw your gun on the ground 5. Ditch the Hondo roll Last edited by Dragline45; March 19, 2015 at 08:34 PM.

March 20, 2015, 01:30 AM	#2
Venom1956 Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 3,656	personally i like to roll the windows down on all 3 doors first then drop my pistol to the ground thru the window then do the tactical fat lazy bellyflop out of the car before i try and find my gun. I also have firearm classes. __________________ E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing neurological collapse to the central nervous system.- Yeah I can do that. I guarantee you will know it if a bicyclist hits your house going 1000 mph. -Smaug

March 20, 2015, 08:09 AM	#3
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	"Yesterday I couldn't even spell 'instructor' and now I are one." Hmm, think I'll try that, right after first seeing if my chiropractor will be available. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

March 20, 2015, 11:09 AM	#6
Vt.birdhunter Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 637	He forgot to check his tire pressure when he was down there __________________ Maintaining a constant state of cat-like readiness and a heightened state of suspicious alertness.

March 20, 2015, 12:05 PM	#8
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	Should have called a real operator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08kSncpUnUo __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

March 20, 2015, 09:45 AM	#5
1-DAB Senior Member Join Date: May 5, 2010 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 474	oh dear. have read several discussions on training lately, and they bring to mind the requirement for 'continuing education' for some professionals (including engineers). at some point, you exhaust courses that apply to your field of work, so you end up having to take unrelated courses just to keep your professional license current. wasting time and money along the way. i can see some doofus pushing for continuing training for CCW holders, requiring everyone to fulfill some arbitrary list of required courses. not good. two aspects in play: how much training do you need for your own purposes, and how much can you prove you have taken? you can learn plenty from others without getting some certificate to hang on your wall.

March 20, 2015, 11:24 AM	#7
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,299	People keep telling me they want to be an "operator". I said I didn't know the phone company was hiring...

March 20, 2015, 12:28 PM	#9
motorhead0922 Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2010 Location: Missouri Posts: 635	Hey, at least when he was hanging from the door all his brass went in one neat pile. __________________ SAF, ACLDN, IDPA, handgunlaw.us My AmazonSmile benefits SAF I'd rather be carried by 6 than caged by 12. 2020: It's pronounced twenty twenty.

March 20, 2015, 12:52 PM	#10
Venom1956 Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 3,656	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvzmW829KIE __________________ E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing neurological collapse to the central nervous system.- Yeah I can do that. I guarantee you will know it if a bicyclist hits your house going 1000 mph. -Smaug

March 20, 2015, 01:03 PM	#11
Son of Liberty Member Join Date: February 26, 2015 Location: Ohayou, less the Gozaimasu Posts: 27	I was waiting for the guy to shoot his front tire. __________________ "Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician." -- Jeff Cooper

March 20, 2015, 01:37 PM	#12
Nlight1 Member Join Date: June 19, 2013 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 89	Mat Best is brilliant.

March 20, 2015, 02:31 PM	#13
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	I can't believe you would post the Dallas Lloyd video without posting his rebuttal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B7JLwdmrq4 See, it all makes perfect sense, right? __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

March 20, 2015, 04:40 PM	#14
Limnophile Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2015 Location: Issaquah, Washington Posts: 1,032	I'm thinking of quitting my range, because they don't have a treadmill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NguwoQ6BnFA.

March 20, 2015, 04:51 PM	#15
1-DAB Senior Member Join Date: May 5, 2010 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 474	looks like a good way to shoot someone else. how about swings? jungle gyms? carousels? little rocking horses? climbing walls? good grief. you would think they make up stuff just to fill time and make their 'class' seem like you got your money's worth.

March 20, 2015, 06:07 PM	#16
Seaman Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2011 Posts: 654	If the SHTF, wouldn't mind having either of those two gents riding shotgun. ""When your best defense is a quick, hard offense, the lessons learned here may prove invaluable. This is a "no holds barred" training area."" *[The Firing Line, Tactics and Training Forum] Check your 6. PS: Gotta try one of those treadmills... __________________ For 20 years the sea was my home, always recall the sun going down, and my trusty friend, a 1911 pistol, strapped to my side.

March 21, 2015, 08:31 PM	#17
Shadi Khalil Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2006 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 5,210	Such buffoonery could only be taught at a clown college.

March 21, 2015, 10:51 PM	#18
Targa Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Posts: 2,084	He stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.

March 21, 2015, 11:13 PM	#19
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,992	Training is like any other commodity you can purchase. It comes in a range of quality and price. These days it's a lot easier to evaluate the quality of firearms training than it has ever been. When you train to do something, think what sort of options you are eliminating by carrying through the action. For example, by getting out of the driver's seat to carry out his tactifoolery, the person in the video eliminated the option of being able to move the vehicle rapidly if necessary. By unlocking/opening the doors, he eliminated a layer of access protection between himself and those outside his vehicle. Don't take this paragraph as an enumerated, exhaustive list of the errors made in the video, it's just a comment about something I've been thinking about lately. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

March 21, 2015, 11:46 PM	#20
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	I can't believe I just watched that! It seems like it could only be a joke or parody, but it's real??

March 21, 2015, 11:49 PM	#21
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,299	Tactical gun drop/belly flop. Such wonders of tactical wizardry...

March 22, 2015, 12:25 AM	#22
OnTheFly Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2007 Location: SE Nebraska Posts: 859	This video makes me sick every time I see it. Notice that the comments have been turned of for this video...I wonder why? :roll eyes: https://youtu.be/xGjBPBJ8CVs Fly __________________ I told my wife I was scheduling a mid-life crisis. It was either a Harley or guns. Secretly, I've already decided on guns. :-) Bang... Bang... Bang...

March 22, 2015, 01:06 AM	#23
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	You do realize that the first video was a joke, right? And the "rebuttal" was just him trolling the people that freaked out about it. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

March 22, 2015, 02:21 AM	#24
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,992	I sincerely hope you're right. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

March 22, 2015, 03:58 AM	#25
MarkDozier Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2010 Posts: 363	OntheFly is right, that vid is ugly. Especially near the end with the 3 monkeys playing at clearing. Noticed the first guy in and then he stands with his back in the doorway. There would be at least 2 dead in the team.