I love Elephants but we need to kill them, eat their flesh, and wear their skins.

TracerTesterman · November 16, 2017, 01:35 PM

https://workingclassreader.com/2017/...r-their-skins/

I had time during my lunch break today.

I'm fairly new to hunting. (5 deer in 10 years) So let me know if I'm terribly off.

But if anyone wants to go to Africa, play with the locals, maybe over throw a dictator, and shoot the wildlife - I'm in.

TXAZ · November 16, 2017, 01:52 PM

I’m down with your second objective.

Art Eatman · November 16, 2017, 01:54 PM

H&Hhunter has made enough hunting trips to Africa that he is now occasionally invited by game officers to join them in culling hunts.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...o-hear.189864/

TracerTesterman · November 16, 2017, 02:03 PM

Quote:

H&Hhunter has made enough hunting trips to Africa that he is now occasionally invited by game officers to join them in culling hunts.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...o-hear.189864/

I'll have to read that later tonight, that's pretty awesome. I used to spend a lot of time at THR, but I've drifted away from the forums over the years.

FITASC · November 16, 2017, 02:15 PM

A good friend of mine is in the business of setting up hunts for clients (VERY WEALTHY) clients and has made over 35 safaris to Africa. He has seen first-hand what happens when legal hunting is curtailed based on emotion and not facts.

jmr40 · November 16, 2017, 04:16 PM

Not at all opposed to anyone hunting Africa, it just doesn't appeal to me. As long as a game animal is not in danger of extinction and someone else has the money, then good for them.

Good to hear that they can legally bring the trophies back again.

Husqvarna · November 16, 2017, 05:28 PM

I fully support trophy hunting, I've done it within Europe

elephants needs to be hunted in many cases and it should be totally legal

I couldn't do it myself thou ): to disneyfied I guess, they are so smart and emotional

armoredman · November 17, 2017, 03:52 AM

There were bleeding hearts thinking some years ago about importing African elephants to set them loose in southern AZ and New Mexico...

Model12Win · November 17, 2017, 04:46 AM

I don't really get the point of trophy hunting, especially for animals that are largely docile (not saying elephants are), but the article has a good point.

TracerTesterman · November 17, 2017, 07:48 AM

I've seen a lot of animosity towards African trophy hunting because:

"Evil rich people!"

And to me that's ridiculous. You shouldn't hate an entire class of people simply because they are more wealthy than you.

To me, as long as rich people aren't breaking laws or doing immoral things, I'm all for it. And I intend to join them as soon as I can.

That being said, I've been called several unflattering names for writing this article now. Enh. Can't make everyone happy. But the vilification of hunting irks me to no end. I have family members who think hunting is some sort of horrific crime against nature, and the 'bigger' or 'prettier' the animal - the more offended they are.

I guess we can't all go out and be the Orkin man.

eastbank · November 17, 2017, 07:49 AM

I,m no expert, but have hunted five times in several African counties and have take 61 game animals and I,m here to tell you if hunting is banned in all of Africa, in several generations most animals will disappear. eaten by the hungry or killed by the greedy for horn-hides or just for the hell of it. eastbank.

Art Eatman · November 17, 2017, 12:00 PM

Tracer, always remember that only the hunter is a do-it-yourselfer in providing his meat. All others merely hire paid killers to do their dirty work for them.

(When I'm enjoying a good steak, I always smile at the thought of that wonderful butcher.

)

Pahoo · November 17, 2017, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Not at all opposed to anyone hunting Africa, it just doesn't appeal to me.

Nor to me but would not be critical of those who choose to do so, as longs as it's done in a lawful and ethical manner. I don't need much of a reason to hunt and kill any animal but I still need a reason to do so. We read about hunting the "Big" five, or is it six? No matter and it's not worth my time or money.

A good friend of mine, has a full-mount Zebra in his den. It's quite a conversation piece and hope he didn't see me shaking my head, the first time I saw it. .......

Be Safe !!!

eastbank · November 17, 2017, 01:42 PM

beats having your mother in law stuffed and put in your den. eastbank.

Mainah · November 17, 2017, 06:02 PM

If there was a way to make African Elephants docile it would have been found by now. After a few safari rides in Africa I personally would never shoot one and display a trophy. But I realize that having them on my property and grazing would be a challenge. And I support the policy change if it protects elephants as a species.

ShootistPRS · November 17, 2017, 06:55 PM

The concept that most anti-hunters don't understand is that wild animals don't die of old age. Every day they live is a contest between being killed and staying alive. If they are injured or get old they fall prey to the predators and scavengers. Neither of those groups hold the paws of the suffering or dying animal speaking softly to it. They start eating it while it is still alive.That is how the predators stay alive and if they get injured or live to old age they get the same treatment from other predators or scavengers. Nature is not a vacation or a peaceful retreat from mankind. It is a daily struggle to stay alive. Just ask one of the many hunters who have been attacked by the deer they were hunting.

Art Eatman · November 17, 2017, 07:29 PM

The hunter's concern is the continuation of a species. The anti-hunter, knowing little of the dynamics of wildlife ecology, is emotionally concerned about individual animals.

Cecil the lion is a case in point. It is little known that the government there did some culling of lion populations afterwards.

ShootistPRS · November 17, 2017, 09:00 PM

This conversation reminds me of the ant-gun/hunter folks who turned rabidly mad on an actor who had his picture taken holding his rifle with a supposedly dead Triceratops and proudly wearing a big smile. Someone pointed out that the animals had been extinct for 65 million years and the crowd was infuriated that he had shot an animal that was extinct.
I just wondered at the level of education that these folks represented. Are all leftists so uneducated that they can't see beyond their fears?

(that's a rhetorical question)

armoredman · November 18, 2017, 01:48 AM

I wouldn't mind going to certain countries in Africa to hunt if I A), knew anything ABOUT big game hunting, B), had a rifle remotely capable of the job, (thinking my CZ527 in 7.62x39mm might be a wee bit inadequate), and C), had the disposable cash to take the trip in the first place. Then again, I might be spending more time "shooting" thing with my camera than the rifle.

thallub · November 18, 2017, 08:11 AM

After some serious pushback from congress, president Trump has delayed implementation of this policy:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...id=HPCOMMDHP15

Geezerbiker · November 19, 2017, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armoredman

There were bleeding hearts thinking some years ago about importing African elephants to set them loose in southern AZ and New Mexico...

Goo thing they didn't. Can you imaging the invasive species problem with critters that big....

thallub · November 19, 2017, 09:22 PM

Today president Trump called elephant hunting a horror show:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d6ddba20f554

TracerTesterman · November 20, 2017, 11:45 AM

Sigh.

I wonder who changed his mind? I thought Donald Trump Jr. was a hunter with African experience?

armoredman · November 23, 2017, 01:09 AM

Donald J Trump was also supposed to help push along the HPA - haven't seen any effort there, either.

lt dan · April 29, 2018, 09:55 AM

Very late to the debate, but being from Africa, I can simply say please come and hunt elephants

November 16, 2017, 01:35 PM	#1
TracerTesterman Junior member Join Date: November 9, 2017 Posts: 59	I love Elephants but we need to kill them, eat their flesh, and wear their skins. https://workingclassreader.com/2017/...r-their-skins/ I had time during my lunch break today. I'm fairly new to hunting. (5 deer in 10 years) So let me know if I'm terribly off. But if anyone wants to go to Africa, play with the locals, maybe over throw a dictator, and shoot the wildlife - I'm in.

November 16, 2017, 01:52 PM	#2
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	I’m down with your second objective. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

November 16, 2017, 02:15 PM	#5
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,441	A good friend of mine is in the business of setting up hunts for clients (VERY WEALTHY) clients and has made over 35 safaris to Africa. He has seen first-hand what happens when legal hunting is curtailed based on emotion and not facts. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

November 16, 2017, 04:16 PM	#6
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,805	Not at all opposed to anyone hunting Africa, it just doesn't appeal to me. As long as a game animal is not in danger of extinction and someone else has the money, then good for them. Good to hear that they can legally bring the trophies back again. __________________ "If you're still doing things the same way you were doing them 10 years ago, you're doing it wrong" Winston Churchill

April 29, 2018, 09:55 AM	#25
lt dan Senior Member Join Date: March 4, 2008 Location: south africa Posts: 328	Very late to the debate, but being from Africa, I can simply say please come and hunt elephants __________________ If youth is wasted on the young, then Africa is wasted on the Africans

November 16, 2017, 01:54 PM	#3
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	H&Hhunter has made enough hunting trips to Africa that he is now occasionally invited by game officers to join them in culling hunts. https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...o-hear.189864/

November 16, 2017, 05:28 PM	#7
Husqvarna Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,000	I fully support trophy hunting, I've done it within Europe elephants needs to be hunted in many cases and it should be totally legal I couldn't do it myself thou ): to disneyfied I guess, they are so smart and emotional

November 17, 2017, 03:52 AM	#8
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	There were bleeding hearts thinking some years ago about importing African elephants to set them loose in southern AZ and New Mexico...

November 17, 2017, 04:46 AM	#9
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	I don't really get the point of trophy hunting, especially for animals that are largely docile (not saying elephants are), but the article has a good point.

November 17, 2017, 07:48 AM	#10
TracerTesterman Junior member Join Date: November 9, 2017 Posts: 59	I've seen a lot of animosity towards African trophy hunting because: "Evil rich people!" And to me that's ridiculous. You shouldn't hate an entire class of people simply because they are more wealthy than you. To me, as long as rich people aren't breaking laws or doing immoral things, I'm all for it. And I intend to join them as soon as I can. That being said, I've been called several unflattering names for writing this article now. Enh. Can't make everyone happy. But the vilification of hunting irks me to no end. I have family members who think hunting is some sort of horrific crime against nature, and the 'bigger' or 'prettier' the animal - the more offended they are. I guess we can't all go out and be the Orkin man.

November 17, 2017, 07:49 AM	#11
eastbank Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2008 Location: pa. Posts: 2,450	I,m no expert, but have hunted five times in several African counties and have take 61 game animals and I,m here to tell you if hunting is banned in all of Africa, in several generations most animals will disappear. eaten by the hungry or killed by the greedy for horn-hides or just for the hell of it. eastbank.

November 17, 2017, 12:00 PM	#12
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	Tracer, always remember that only the hunter is a do-it-yourselfer in providing his meat. All others merely hire paid killers to do their dirty work for them. (When I'm enjoying a good steak, I always smile at the thought of that wonderful butcher. )

November 17, 2017, 01:42 PM	#14
eastbank Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2008 Location: pa. Posts: 2,450	beats having your mother in law stuffed and put in your den. eastbank.

November 17, 2017, 06:02 PM	#15
Mainah Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2007 Posts: 1,119	If there was a way to make African Elephants docile it would have been found by now. After a few safari rides in Africa I personally would never shoot one and display a trophy. But I realize that having them on my property and grazing would be a challenge. And I support the policy change if it protects elephants as a species.

November 17, 2017, 06:55 PM	#16
ShootistPRS Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2017 Posts: 1,583	The concept that most anti-hunters don't understand is that wild animals don't die of old age. Every day they live is a contest between being killed and staying alive. If they are injured or get old they fall prey to the predators and scavengers. Neither of those groups hold the paws of the suffering or dying animal speaking softly to it. They start eating it while it is still alive.That is how the predators stay alive and if they get injured or live to old age they get the same treatment from other predators or scavengers. Nature is not a vacation or a peaceful retreat from mankind. It is a daily struggle to stay alive. Just ask one of the many hunters who have been attacked by the deer they were hunting.

November 17, 2017, 07:29 PM	#17
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	The hunter's concern is the continuation of a species. The anti-hunter, knowing little of the dynamics of wildlife ecology, is emotionally concerned about individual animals. Cecil the lion is a case in point. It is little known that the government there did some culling of lion populations afterwards.

November 17, 2017, 09:00 PM	#18
ShootistPRS Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2017 Posts: 1,583	This conversation reminds me of the ant-gun/hunter folks who turned rabidly mad on an actor who had his picture taken holding his rifle with a supposedly dead Triceratops and proudly wearing a big smile. Someone pointed out that the animals had been extinct for 65 million years and the crowd was infuriated that he had shot an animal that was extinct. I just wondered at the level of education that these folks represented. Are all leftists so uneducated that they can't see beyond their fears? (that's a rhetorical question)

November 18, 2017, 01:48 AM	#19
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	I wouldn't mind going to certain countries in Africa to hunt if I A), knew anything ABOUT big game hunting, B), had a rifle remotely capable of the job, (thinking my CZ527 in 7.62x39mm might be a wee bit inadequate), and C), had the disposable cash to take the trip in the first place. Then again, I might be spending more time "shooting" thing with my camera than the rifle.

November 18, 2017, 08:11 AM	#20
thallub Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2007 Location: South Western OK Posts: 3,112	After some serious pushback from congress, president Trump has delayed implementation of this policy: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...id=HPCOMMDHP15

November 19, 2017, 09:22 PM	#22
thallub Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2007 Location: South Western OK Posts: 3,112	Today president Trump called elephant hunting a horror show: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d6ddba20f554

November 20, 2017, 11:45 AM	#23
TracerTesterman Junior member Join Date: November 9, 2017 Posts: 59	Sigh. I wonder who changed his mind? I thought Donald Trump Jr. was a hunter with African experience?

November 23, 2017, 01:09 AM	#24
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	Donald J Trump was also supposed to help push along the HPA - haven't seen any effort there, either.