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April 20, 2014, 12:58 AM | #151 | ||
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People are romanticizing this and calling it a victory against oppression now. What happens when the militia types get bored and go home? The BLM will return to collect. If a few stay behind to resist, what exactly do we think will happen when a shot is fired? Let's be bluntly honest. This was a bad idea, for a bad cause. It had, and still has, the potential to blow up into something that could hurt us very badly.
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April 20, 2014, 01:31 AM | #153 |
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Don't know the specific situation, but I remember reading that for a period, there was an actual standoff. The whole thing has been called a standoff, but there was an actual standoff, with both sides pointing guns at the other for a while.
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April 20, 2014, 01:40 AM | #154 | ||
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And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure. And threat of force against the law I think is fine when "the law" is acting unnecessarily forcefully itself. We have to have adherence to the law, but that doesn't mean by such heavy-handed tactics. Much of the Occupy Wall Street protest was illegally done, but it doesn't mean that the NYPD should have just sent in police to round up all of the Occupy Wall Street folk who were illegally camping in the area and if they resisted, tased and/or shot them. Quote:
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April 20, 2014, 01:49 AM | #155 |
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As to numbers, there were over 200 armed federal agents. There were lots of M-4's, I saw at least one mp5. Every one of the Feds was armed with a sidearm, but I do not know the actual sidearm issued to the BLM. There were snipers there, too, but I could not with any specificity tell you the actual firearm they were using. The BLM had their region 3 SWAT team in full gear there as could be evidenced by the three stripes on the patches on their right shoulders. The LV SWAT team was also in residence there with all their kit.
There are some interesting sidenotes to this affair. Seems the western states themselves have been less than happy with the way BLM has been managing public lands. Big meeting today that was scheduled before all the mess at the Bundy ranch. Might be an interesting tussle shaping up that could further clarify state vs. federal rights. BLM also has taken a few paragraphs of interesting subject matter off of their website. Shades of Waco there. Just after Waco the FBI had the their entire report up on the web. I know because I read it. There were a few things in that one that were somewhat interesting, shall I say, but that lasted for only a very short time. And, by the way, Happy Easter to all on the site. Last edited by ronl; April 20, 2014 at 01:55 AM. |
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And I disagree that Bundy's son being tased was for "good reason." It's not like that was a bunch of people armed with AR-15s blocking those agents, it was a bunch of unarmed people. Last edited by LogicMan; April 20, 2014 at 09:43 AM. |
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April 20, 2014, 10:11 AM | #158 |
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And now we're wandering in circles.
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