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Old March 22, 2011, 08:19 AM   #1
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Pocket Gun Competition

Just started PCCA (pocket carry competition Association) easy to follow rules for real world carry guns.

www.pocketcarrycomp.com

after the first match this was posted,
http://bullcitydefense.com/2011/02/2...ng-last-place/

Another blog,
http://spydersmom.wordpress.com/2011...etition-match/

Looking for clubs to hold matches, if interested PM or email me.

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Old March 22, 2011, 09:49 AM   #2
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I like the concept, seems practical.

However have you address the ideal that people actually carry pocket pistols in their pocket. Reading the rules I didn't notice if this was allowed.

Every now and then when I shoot ICORE, I shoot a second gun, that being my 642 which I pocket carry. While shooting the match I use my pocket.

Something to think about.

I'm going to talk this up around here in hopes of getting something started.
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Old March 22, 2011, 10:44 AM   #3
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A few IDPA clubs I know of hold BUG side matches. They make them 5 round neutral and allow starting from the ready to eliminate pocket draws which the SOs are uncomfortable with. Not the most realistic, but pretty handy.
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Old March 22, 2011, 11:44 AM   #4
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This is a great idea.
With all the folks carrying and owning these types of guns, there should be lots of interest in it.
It's kind of like why IDPA was created, to provide a more real world type of match.
Hope it's successful.
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Old March 22, 2011, 11:46 AM   #5
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I bought a M36 j-frame specifically so I could shoot this last match. Outside of an ICORE match, I've never seen so many revolvers! And nice, shiny once-fired .38 brass on the ground?! Lordy, a reloaders dream, lol.

Seriously, it was a fun yet challenging match. More to the point, many seemed pretty surprised at their performance when tested with the very gun they might trust their life to. Competition aside, then, it's a great opportunity for people to get out there for some good scenario-driven practice with their carry gun.
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Old March 22, 2011, 12:08 PM   #6
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I can't get to your website,,,

It just won't open the link.

There should be more matches like the one you started.

I would love to compete with my Model 36 or Model 34,,,
Against other people with similar pocket semi's or revolvers.

If for no other reason than they would be fun.

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Old March 22, 2011, 12:15 PM   #7
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On the front page of web site it notes "for safety a strong side belt holster or inside the waistband strong side holster must be used".

Kraigwy, Thanks.

Navy Joe, I run IDPA here at Caswell Ranch (home of NC State and East Coast Championship) and did not like the concept of bug, only five round stages, no reloads, no holster, no divisions, no classifications and guns that are small service guns (3.8" barrel, S&W 625 3" etc).

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Old March 22, 2011, 12:18 PM   #8
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Just checked the link, works on my end.

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Old March 22, 2011, 12:21 PM   #9
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Quote:
I run IDPA here at Caswell Ranch (home of NC State and East Coast Championship) and did not like the concept of bug, only five round stages, no reloads, no holster, no divisions, no classifications and guns that are small service guns (3.8" barrel, S&W 625 3" etc).
I'm confused here,,,
Are you meaning you don't like bugs for IDPA?

Is that why you started the new PCCA to keep it separate from IDPA?

Thanks for checking the link,,,
I still can't access your site but will keep trying.

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Old March 22, 2011, 01:37 PM   #10
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This seems like something I would really enjoy participating in. I often pocket carry a P3-AT as a BUG or in warm weather, and I'd love to gain some more practical experience with it.

Not to far from home, too.
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Old March 22, 2011, 02:13 PM   #11
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Why do they exclude NAA SA revolvers in the rule book? Too pocket-able of a pocket gun? 5 shot capacity?
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Old March 22, 2011, 02:53 PM   #12
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Vt.Birdhunter,
No trigger guard, next to no grip for draw from a holster, reloading is a problem (remove cylinder,be safe).
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Old March 22, 2011, 03:01 PM   #13
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aarondhgraham,
No, I think bug and PCCA are more along the lines of spirit/intent of IDPA than IDPA has become. What I'm saying is IDPA Bug is not recognized, has no divisions, only 5 shot stages etc, some of the permited guns are small service guns not back-up.

In short, I created PCCA to be a more complete sport/practice for this type of firearm.

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Old March 22, 2011, 08:59 PM   #14
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I think you did well, I wasn't pushing IDPA BUG as the one true answer, just saying others try. Be neat to see yours catch on.
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Old March 23, 2011, 09:11 AM   #15
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No trigger guard, next to no grip for draw from a holster, reloading is a problem (remove cylinder,be safe).
Safety always makes sense, ty.
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Old March 23, 2011, 09:41 AM   #16
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I've participated in the first two PCCA matches at Caswell Ranch. Other than Ruger Rimfire (also at Caswell Ranch), these are the only matches I've ever shot. I must say I am completely hooked. It's nice to be able to use the SP101 that I carry 90% of the time to compete in realistic defensive scenarios and practice reloading under time pressure.

I brought a co-worker to the last match and again, like me, competing was very new for him. He's now hooked.

For those within driving distance of Caswell Ranch I can highly recommend the facility for either recreational shooting/practice as a member or for competitions in any of the disciplines they host. Great setup, great people, great competitions.

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Old March 24, 2011, 02:48 PM   #17
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Got my new PCCA gun today, SIG P290, great little gun.
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Old March 24, 2011, 03:46 PM   #18
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Dean,

I'm torn on whether to bring my SR9c to the next match or stick with the SP101 again. The revolver nerd in me is having trouble with the idea of switching to the bottom feeder, but I do want to play with my new toy. .

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Old March 24, 2011, 08:20 PM   #19
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Tom,
I was in the same boat, got the Sig so I could stay with the intent (founder has to stay on track), trust the revolver more than an auto in a small gun.

Play with the new toy.


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Old March 25, 2011, 08:06 AM   #20
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Eventually I'll bring my LCP to a match (I do have an appropriate holster and mag carrier setup now). I'll likely also invest in an LC9 at some point in the future, once they've been out awhile and any bugs are worked out. Yep.........Ruger nerd as well..........

Those will be more in the spirit of the pocket guns than my SR9c.
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Old March 25, 2011, 12:31 PM   #21
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In other news, another co-worker may be joining me at the April match. Brad has been bending his ear over it since this past Saturday's match and he's wanting to have a go with his M&P9c in the discreet auto division. Pretty sure Brad will be back as well. He's hooked . Me giving him crap about my beating him and his semi with my wheelgun has him determined to turn it around next time.
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Old March 25, 2011, 01:02 PM   #22
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It's a great idea as IDPA is dead set against realistic bug usage. Said so in their mag.

I've shot IDPA with a 642. My view was to get trigger time with the gun in an setting which is not the square range.

You can do it, if you don't really worry about winning. However, some folks do well with such like Claude Werner.

I support the effort totally. I think IDPA is silly not to figure it out for their matches - they are going a touch IPSC in orientation, IMHO.
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Old March 25, 2011, 09:00 PM   #23
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One of the most fun IDPA matches I have shot was a Bug match held once a year in Mt. Pleasant, Michiagan in the fall. They shoot 5 stages just before sunset, have a supper, then shoot 5 stages in the dark. Its out in the country and there are no lights so it is DARK. They have a shoot house also, going in and clearing rooms is a real challenge. I shoot a 637, the reloads are very hard trying to find the holes with the speedloader in the dark.

I take two lights, a Surefire to flash when shooting, and a Maglight for replentishing the speedloaders and scoreing.

The PCCA sounds interesting, if there was a match close I would try it. I'm easy though, if someone was holding a Red Ryder match, I'm in!
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Old March 25, 2011, 09:50 PM   #24
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Thanks for all the thumbs up guys, next PCCA match at Caswell will have a low light and a no light stage (in bay 3,IDPA State match stage we will use in two parts ).
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