May 6, 2022, 09:14 AM | #26 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 29, 2010
Location: Hampstead NC
Posts: 1,450
|
Quote:
I bought a Governor after my dog tried to play with a water moccasin, carried it loaded with #4 shot in the woods once. Realized that a 9mm hollow point is useful against a lot more than just snakes. Haven't carried the Governor since. |
|
May 7, 2022, 09:01 PM | #27 |
Senior Member
Join Date: April 7, 2006
Posts: 10,981
|
People still think these guns are "sawed off shotguns"- but legal.
|
May 8, 2022, 11:21 AM | #28 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 10, 2014
Posts: 1,378
|
Still the 410 revolvers are being billed as awesome power in small package. One of single shot breakdown type would make somewhat useful firearm. Before 1935 Gun Laws several companies made them. Garden Guns, at garden ranges a 410 works good.
|
May 8, 2022, 01:48 PM | #29 |
Staff
Join Date: March 11, 2006
Location: Upper US
Posts: 28,820
|
I have a box of Winchester 3" .410 slugs, which says the MV is 1800fps.
I'm certain this speed is taken from the full length shotgun barrel (at least 18 and probably more like 24") and the slug is 1/4oz. That puts the slug at approx 110gr, and typically slugs are fired at higher speed than shot, including buckshot. So what does one get from the 6" (or less) barrel of a revolver shooting the same round? 1400? 1200? less??? I don't know, don't have one for testing but if you do, please let us know what speeds your gun gives you. a 110gr bullet at 1200fps is nothing to sneeze at, but its not the same as a .45 Colt bullet twice as heavy even if slower.
__________________
All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better. |
May 8, 2022, 02:40 PM | #30 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 22, 2010
Location: Madison, Wisconsin
Posts: 1,292
|
There is no science or reasoning to it. It's marketing and sales, targeting people that really just plain don't know.
This is why my standard response now is to promote Apex Tungsten .410 loads. They're clearly superior, fellas are turkey hunting with subgauge loads with that stuff because Tungsten is 60% denser than lead and .. geometry and aerodynamics and momentum. Then they waffle at $10 a shell. "Yes, but having spent all that money to shoot shot shells, you're life isn't worth an extra $60???" And then a whole house of cards falls down, because really... if you're going to carry around all that weight, what's wrong with .45 in a properly proportioned revolver? Nothing, it's just plain better in every regards.
__________________
My book "The Pheasant Hunter's Action Adventure Cookbook" is now on Amazon. Tall tales, hunting tips, butchering from bird to the freezer, and recipes. |
May 8, 2022, 08:30 PM | #31 |
Staff
Join Date: March 11, 2006
Location: Upper US
Posts: 28,820
|
for that matter, I don't see what's wrong with the .45 in the awkwardly proportioned Judge/Governator...
Tungsten is wonderful stuff, but expensive beyond what I consider reasonable for my shooting. And, for what its worth, $60 (for six shots) only buys potential, NOT results. If I don't put the shot where it needs to go, (or if I think I am but the gun doesn't put it there) then its not saving my life. And, at that high cost, actual practice is, for me, prohibitively expensive. .45 ammo is cheaper, (and I handload) and no one can convince me that is isn't going to work well enough against human targets.
__________________
All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better. |
May 10, 2022, 05:21 PM | #32 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: February 13, 2006
Location: Washington state
Posts: 15,248
|
Quote:
__________________
Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services |
|
May 10, 2022, 09:07 PM | #33 |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 25, 2001
Location: Alabama
Posts: 18,539
|
The Army prototyped a pistol for bad shots.
On a 1911 receiver but a blowback slide with large buffer spring. Ammo was .45 ACP Shot but loaded with #4 tungsten, I forget how many. |
August 14, 2022, 03:40 PM | #34 |
Senior Member
Join Date: March 23, 2008
Location: Jefferson State
Posts: 1,197
|
I've been reloading 410 shot shells in 444 Marlin brass shells. Will they fit and fire in a Judge? jd
__________________
"We're all dummies, just in different ways." Old Okie Philosopher |
August 15, 2022, 04:32 PM | #35 | |
Member
Join Date: April 27, 2021
Location: SE Mississippi
Posts: 93
|
Quote:
|
|
August 17, 2022, 01:38 PM | #36 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 14, 2018
Posts: 240
|
I just test fired for group 2 1/2" 410 with three .355 RBs. At ten yards two of them were almost touching and the third about a inch below the other two. I'm going by memory but I think they weighed 280 grains and 11/16 of an ounce is 300 grains. They just barely stuck up above the top of the shell so hot glue was used to keep them in.
|
October 10, 2022, 12:03 PM | #37 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 14, 2018
Posts: 240
|
They were 395 RBs. They weighed 276grs , just a little shy of the 300grs/ 11/16oz.
Last edited by bladesmith 1; October 10, 2022 at 12:07 PM. Reason: duplicate |
October 11, 2022, 05:16 AM | #38 |
Senior Member
Join Date: June 10, 2005
Location: SW Florida
Posts: 2,747
|
.410 for self defense? Isn't that why sweet lord Jesus invented 9mm?
Judge at the trap range? Just seems like alot of time and money wasted to make yourself look silly at the range, attempting to make a gun do something it wasn't designed to do.
__________________
God's creatures big and small, eat them one, eat them all. |
October 12, 2022, 12:20 PM | #39 | ||
Staff
Join Date: March 11, 2006
Location: Upper US
Posts: 28,820
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better. |
||
October 13, 2022, 10:08 AM | #40 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 14, 2018
Posts: 240
|
The bigger than shot lead ball means less air space in a load, so yes, I got 11/16oz in a 2 1/2" 410 shell.
The shot question wasn't at the trap range, but the skeet range where chokes aren't really needed. I have a 45 Kimber on my hip, the Judge sits on the bucket seat next to me. Who would fool with a 9MM when 45s are available ? The correctness of your logic is directly proportional to the diameter of your bore. You shoot what you want, I'll shoot what I want. |
|
|