Next Advanced Army Carbine

RC20 · March 26, 2019, 04:18 PM

For what its worth.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...rd-issue-rifle

I do not get why you would to a conventional round when you supposedly are going to an advanced CTA type round.

If its worth doing at all its worth doing it in the same leap.

Otherwise the second part is not going to happen.

We could have done the conventional 40 years ago.

precision_shooter · March 26, 2019, 04:52 PM

Looks to be about like the 6.5 Grendel but with a 6.8mm bullet instead of the 6.5mm.

Or a version of the 6.8spc which is about the same performance as the 6.5 Grendel.

In either case, it wouldn't require a complete redesign of the M4 platform...

Acquiring the funds to completely replace all existing M4s would be a waste of money. Just get 6.5 or 6.8 uppers, use the standard lowers they have now, hopefully can still use the same GI issues mags and call it a day.

rickyrick · March 26, 2019, 06:03 PM

Is there anyone here that can explain the functioning of telescoping ammunition more fully?
Most of these articles like this briefly mention the ammunition, this article does talk about it a bit more than others.
I’m pretty curious about how this ammunition actually works

RC20 · March 27, 2019, 01:05 PM

I don't get the mechanics as I have not seen a CTA chamber.

Idea is to surround the bullet with the powder in a solid form (some burns it all up some leaves a case)

Its shorter (though bigger diameter) and a lot lighter (maybe 30% without the brass case)

There are some 30 mm cannons now that are in service in Europe that have it.

ed308 · March 27, 2019, 10:56 PM

Is there anyone here that can explain the functioning of telescoping ammunition more fully? Most of these articles like this briefly mention the ammunition, this article does talk about it a bit more than others. I’m pretty curious about how this ammunition actually works.

Straight from Textron website regarding their LSAT. Scroll down to the video.

https://www.textronsystems.com/what-...r-systems/LSAT

Fishbed77 · March 28, 2019, 04:03 PM

The government will spend large sums of taxpayer money on procurement and testing, and then just adopt another minor upgrade to the M4.

Tell me I'm wrong.

rickyrick · March 28, 2019, 04:19 PM

That’s what I think too

ed308 · March 29, 2019, 11:22 AM

Considering what they are looking for with this upgrade has sat the bar really high. Too high IMO.

March 26, 2019, 04:18 PM	#1
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,014	Next Advanced Army Carbine For what its worth. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...rd-issue-rifle I do not get why you would to a conventional round when you supposedly are going to an advanced CTA type round. If its worth doing at all its worth doing it in the same leap. Otherwise the second part is not going to happen. We could have done the conventional 40 years ago. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not Last edited by RC20; March 26, 2019 at 04:26 PM.

March 26, 2019, 04:52 PM	#2
precision_shooter Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 2,475	Looks to be about like the 6.5 Grendel but with a 6.8mm bullet instead of the 6.5mm. Or a version of the 6.8spc which is about the same performance as the 6.5 Grendel. In either case, it wouldn't require a complete redesign of the M4 platform... Acquiring the funds to completely replace all existing M4s would be a waste of money. Just get 6.5 or 6.8 uppers, use the standard lowers they have now, hopefully can still use the same GI issues mags and call it a day. __________________ "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, 1776

March 27, 2019, 01:05 PM	#4
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,014	I don't get the mechanics as I have not seen a CTA chamber. Idea is to surround the bullet with the powder in a solid form (some burns it all up some leaves a case) Its shorter (though bigger diameter) and a lot lighter (maybe 30% without the brass case) There are some 30 mm cannons now that are in service in Europe that have it. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

March 26, 2019, 06:03 PM	#3
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	Is there anyone here that can explain the functioning of telescoping ammunition more fully? Most of these articles like this briefly mention the ammunition, this article does talk about it a bit more than others. I’m pretty curious about how this ammunition actually works

March 27, 2019, 10:56 PM	#5
ed308 Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2016 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 1,147	Is there anyone here that can explain the functioning of telescoping ammunition more fully? Most of these articles like this briefly mention the ammunition, this article does talk about it a bit more than others. I’m pretty curious about how this ammunition actually works. Straight from Textron website regarding their LSAT. Scroll down to the video. https://www.textronsystems.com/what-...r-systems/LSAT

March 28, 2019, 04:03 PM	#6
Fishbed77 Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2010 Posts: 4,862	The government will spend large sums of taxpayer money on procurement and testing, and then just adopt another minor upgrade to the M4. Tell me I'm wrong.

March 28, 2019, 04:19 PM	#7
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	That’s what I think too

March 29, 2019, 11:22 AM	#8
ed308 Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2016 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 1,147	Considering what they are looking for with this upgrade has sat the bar really high. Too high IMO.