Help me ID this captured enemy MG!

Scotthw · December 28, 2016, 10:08 AM

So it was Halloween 2011, RC East, Paktika Provice Afganistan. Captured a couple enemy combatants holding up inside a small house and discovered what they were defending inside. Was not able to identify this machine gun and at the time and continued mission. I've been unable to find anyone that knows what it is or a country of origin.

If I remember correctly the round size was comparable to a 7.62. Looks similar to a Chinese 77 I suppose but not exact. Any help is appreciated.

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BillM · December 28, 2016, 10:31 AM

Russian Goryunov SG-43 SGM. Later model. 7.62x54R.

Welcome to the forum, and thank you for your service.

Scotthw · December 28, 2016, 11:56 AM

Wow that was fast thanks! too bad we had to destroy all these old antique guns. It hurt to see them torch cut. We captured a MG42, Thompson, DPMS, PPSH etc. Cool old war relics. Thanks for the ID!

jonnyc · December 28, 2016, 12:43 PM

Never saw one on a bipod before.

BillM · December 28, 2016, 04:33 PM

It may have a few field modifications. That bipod looks a little skinny
for a full size beltfed. That rear "anti-aircraft" sight is a bit whacky too.
Usually they are further forward and have a tall second sighting point.

At least there is no visible wire, hose clamps or duct tape-----

Still a nice example of a Russian medium machine gun that you don't see
very often.

dakota.potts · December 28, 2016, 08:29 PM

They were traditionally mounted on a carriage with wheels and a small shield for the operator, or on other mounts for stability. Looks like they put a PKM bipod on what I presume to be the gas tube. Looks very awkward to fire from that position, to say the least. You'd have to constantly be holding up the rear end while firing. The height of the rear sight doesn't look matched to the front sight either except maybe at extreme distances. I wonder if the individual(s) who put that example together knew what they were doing and had a purpose for the modifications or were just improvising.

December 28, 2016, 10:08 AM	#1
Scotthw Junior Member Join Date: December 14, 2016 Location: Rhode island Posts: 2	Help me ID this captured enemy MG! So it was Halloween 2011, RC East, Paktika Provice Afganistan. Captured a couple enemy combatants holding up inside a small house and discovered what they were defending inside. Was not able to identify this machine gun and at the time and continued mission. I've been unable to find anyone that knows what it is or a country of origin. If I remember correctly the round size was comparable to a 7.62. Looks similar to a Chinese 77 I suppose but not exact. Any help is appreciated. [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG]

December 28, 2016, 12:43 PM	#4
jonnyc Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: PA Posts: 1,731	Never saw one on a bipod before. __________________ 2024 PA Cartridge Collector Show; Aug. 16-17, 2024!!! Buy...Sell...Trade All Types of Ammunition & Ordnance PM or email me for 2024 show details.

December 28, 2016, 08:29 PM	#6
dakota.potts Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Location: Keystone Heights, Florida Posts: 3,084	They were traditionally mounted on a carriage with wheels and a small shield for the operator, or on other mounts for stability. Looks like they put a PKM bipod on what I presume to be the gas tube. Looks very awkward to fire from that position, to say the least. You'd have to constantly be holding up the rear end while firing. The height of the rear sight doesn't look matched to the front sight either except maybe at extreme distances. I wonder if the individual(s) who put that example together knew what they were doing and had a purpose for the modifications or were just improvising. __________________ Certified Gunsmith (On Hiatus) Certified Armorer - H&K and Glock Among Others You can find my writings at my website, pottsprecision.com.

December 28, 2016, 10:31 AM	#2
BillM Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Amity Oregon Posts: 791	Russian Goryunov SG-43 SGM. Later model. 7.62x54R. Welcome to the forum, and thank you for your service.

December 28, 2016, 11:56 AM	#3
Scotthw Junior Member Join Date: December 14, 2016 Location: Rhode island Posts: 2	Wow that was fast thanks! too bad we had to destroy all these old antique guns. It hurt to see them torch cut. We captured a MG42, Thompson, DPMS, PPSH etc. Cool old war relics. Thanks for the ID!

December 28, 2016, 04:33 PM	#5
BillM Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Amity Oregon Posts: 791	It may have a few field modifications. That bipod looks a little skinny for a full size beltfed. That rear "anti-aircraft" sight is a bit whacky too. Usually they are further forward and have a tall second sighting point. At least there is no visible wire, hose clamps or duct tape----- Still a nice example of a Russian medium machine gun that you don't see very often.