H4198 for .270

dchristi · January 18, 2012, 06:41 PM

Hi, I am new to the reloading world and have a question. I have been doing lots of research regarding this but it seems to be hard to come by. I accidentally purchased H4198 instead of IMR4198 to reload a 130 grain .270 bullet. Now I am wondering if I can start with reduced loads of either 5-10% and work my way up to the IMR 4198 load data thats listed for .270. Or if you know of h4198 load data for .270 that I just haven't been able to find than please help me out!

Thanks alot!

jepp2 · January 18, 2012, 06:49 PM

To me both of the 4198's are just too fast for the 270. Just curious why you decided to go with that fast of a burn rate powder?

mrawesome22 · January 18, 2012, 06:49 PM

Way too fast for 270. I'm surprised you found any data whatsoever.

steve4102 · January 18, 2012, 06:58 PM

Where did you get your data?

Both 4198 are way to fast for the 270 Win. Not saying there isn't any data, just saying it's a bad choice.

hk33ka1 · January 18, 2012, 07:04 PM

A quick look on Hodgdons site (they make IMR, Hodgdon and Winchester powder and have a great load database) shows these and other powders for 130gr .270 Winchester. http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

IMR 4895
IMR 4064
IMR 7828
IMR 4831
H-380
H-4895
H-1000
Varget

Someone more versed in the 270 can suggest a good one to start with. I don't have a load book handy for any 4198 data.

dchristi · January 18, 2012, 07:37 PM

It was the only thing they had in the store at the time. I got my data from lee modern reloading 2nd edition.

dchristi · January 18, 2012, 07:42 PM

Can i make the powder work for our .270?

hk33ka1 · January 18, 2012, 07:52 PM

I just looked through 5 manuals at home , Nosler, Hornady, Speer, Lyman 49th and Lyman Cast 4th and found no data with H-4198 for jacketed .270 Winchester bullets of 130gr or any weight. I don't have my Lee book right now.

I would suggest you return the powder if it is sealed and you're friendly with the store, and if it's opened or they won't take it you will find a use in another calibre in the future or be able to trade it with a friend.

I would NOT load with the powder you have now.

Again I don't load 270 Win, but might I suggest IMR 4895 as a versatile powder that is listed for this round and works well in many others.

dchristi · January 18, 2012, 08:06 PM

Ya ok. I guess ill cut my losses and buy a different powder. Hopefully i can find someone who wants it.

dchristi · January 18, 2012, 08:07 PM

Thanks everybody for the help!

MADISON · January 19, 2012, 02:53 PM

H4198 for .270
I always used H4198 in 130; 150 and 170 grain bullets.
My load was **REDACTED** grains for all three. The load was MAX or OVER MAX but, it shot a 3/4 inch group with 130 and 150 grain bullets.

Jim243 · January 19, 2012, 03:03 PM

See if you can find IMR 4350 or H-4895, the H-4895 is my favorite. I use IMR 4198 for the 7.62x39 Russian (SKS or Mini-30).

Jim

SSA · January 19, 2012, 05:37 PM

I have no source that lists loads for H4198 in the 270, so I was not going to repeat what others have said. Then I saw that somebody mentioned a load.

H4198 is a lot like IMR4198. Not exactly the same, but similar.
The 1975 DuPont Handloader's Guide lists a load for the 270, 130 gr bullet, and IMR4198. 36 grains is the maximum load. 54,000 CUP.

Some lighter weight of H4198 (30 to 33 gr) is probably safe to use in the 270, but that doesn't mean I'd recommend it, especially to a new reloader.

mehavey · January 19, 2012, 06:39 PM

QuickLoad listings for H4198, 52,000psi, Speer bullets, 24" barrel, OALs that result in at least 0.200" shank depth and/or Speer recommended:

100gr Speer SP #1453, H4198/43.0gr/OAL=3.20" Vel~3,190fps
130gr Speer GRSLAM #1465, H4198/39.5gr/OAL=3.24" Vel~2,800fps

(Note that Quickload recommends IMR4198 be loaded 1 grain lower for similar pressures. Note also that these loads are well under 80% case capacity, and therefore likely to produce higher-than-normal velocity variations. )

LAWYERSPEAK: These are theoretical max loads (for starters). Start lower

steve4102 · January 20, 2012, 08:14 AM

Quote:

I always used H4198 in 130; 150 and 170 grain bullets.
My load was **REDACTED** grains for all three.

What? **REDACTED** of 4198 with a 170gr bullet? Really! You sure that isn't a typo?

With 150gr Nosler BT and 56gr of H-4198 QL calculates pressure at 154,622 psi.

OP, do not use this load data!

griz · January 20, 2012, 08:15 AM

Quote:

H4198 for .270.
**REDACTED**

Madison, I suspect you are thinking of some other powder. That much 4198 would be a bomb in a 270.

howlnmad · January 20, 2012, 10:12 AM

^ That's why I hate it when people post load data on the web and I refuse to do it. Someone makes a wrong key stroke and someone ends up seriously hurt or worse.

William T. Watts · January 20, 2012, 03:56 PM

That's why until potential loaders are thoroughly familiar with the terminology we use and have read from cover to cover at least two loading sources (I.E the ABC'S of reloading, Hornady, Nosler, Speer, or Sierra manual they should wait on purchasing supplies and equipment. The clerk that sold the powder should should have a kink jerked in him, it was a case of selling what he had! I read everything I could get my hands on for months before I touched anything or purchased a single item.. You absolutely must have an idea of what's going to happen when you pull the trigger knowing your face is only few inches away.. William

jimbob86 · January 20, 2012, 04:02 PM

Quote:

To me both of the 4198's are just too fast for the 270.

I concur.

The fastest powder I have used in any of mine is IMR 4064 ...... and that only for the lighter bullets or reduced loads......

H414, H4831, the 4350's, and IMR 7828 have worked well for me.

H1000 did not.

dchristi · January 20, 2012, 07:14 PM

Ok nobody has to worry about me blowing my face off. I am definitely not going to waste my time trying to load with 4198. I went out and purchased some IMR 4831.

hooligan1 · January 21, 2012, 06:46 AM

I have a Savage 110, .270 win, and it loves the H4350. I tried the IMR 4350, because of past fortune with the .270 win, and the 130 grn bullet.

But this rifle digs the H4350 and the 130 grn Accubond.

howlnmad · January 21, 2012, 01:23 PM

The 4831 is a good powder for the 270 with 130 grain bullets.

January 19, 2012, 02:53 PM	#11
MADISON Senior Member Join Date: January 1, 2000 Location: Roanoke, Virginia Posts: 2,678	H4198 for .270 H4198 for .270 I always used H4198 in 130; 150 and 170 grain bullets. My load was REDACTED grains for all three. The load was MAX or OVER MAX but, it shot a 3/4 inch group with 130 and 150 grain bullets. Last edited by Johnny Guest; January 20, 2012 at 12:30 PM. Reason: Unsafe load data included, though not suggested

January 19, 2012, 03:03 PM	#12
Jim243 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2009 Location: Just off Route 66 Posts: 5,067	See if you can find IMR 4350 or H-4895, the H-4895 is my favorite. I use IMR 4198 for the 7.62x39 Russian (SKS or Mini-30). Jim __________________ Si vis pacem, para bellum

January 21, 2012, 06:46 AM	#21
hooligan1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2010 Location: Independence Missouri Posts: 4,586	I have a Savage 110, .270 win, and it loves the H4350. I tried the IMR 4350, because of past fortune with the .270 win, and the 130 grn bullet. But this rifle digs the H4350 and the 130 grn Accubond. __________________ Keep your Axe sharp and your powder dry.

January 18, 2012, 06:41 PM	#1
dchristi Junior Member Join Date: January 18, 2012 Posts: 9	H4198 for .270 Hi, I am new to the reloading world and have a question. I have been doing lots of research regarding this but it seems to be hard to come by. I accidentally purchased H4198 instead of IMR4198 to reload a 130 grain .270 bullet. Now I am wondering if I can start with reduced loads of either 5-10% and work my way up to the IMR 4198 load data thats listed for .270. Or if you know of h4198 load data for .270 that I just haven't been able to find than please help me out! Thanks alot!

January 18, 2012, 06:49 PM	#2
jepp2 Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2008 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 1,476	To me both of the 4198's are just too fast for the 270. Just curious why you decided to go with that fast of a burn rate powder?

January 18, 2012, 06:49 PM	#3
mrawesome22 Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2005 Location: Ohio, Appalachia's foothills. Posts: 3,779	Way too fast for 270. I'm surprised you found any data whatsoever.

January 18, 2012, 06:58 PM	#4
steve4102 Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,955	Where did you get your data? Both 4198 are way to fast for the 270 Win. Not saying there isn't any data, just saying it's a bad choice.

January 18, 2012, 07:04 PM	#5
hk33ka1 Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2010 Posts: 275	A quick look on Hodgdons site (they make IMR, Hodgdon and Winchester powder and have a great load database) shows these and other powders for 130gr .270 Winchester. http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp IMR 4895 IMR 4064 IMR 7828 IMR 4831 H-380 H-4895 H-1000 Varget Someone more versed in the 270 can suggest a good one to start with. I don't have a load book handy for any 4198 data.

January 18, 2012, 07:37 PM	#6
dchristi Junior Member Join Date: January 18, 2012 Posts: 9	It was the only thing they had in the store at the time. I got my data from lee modern reloading 2nd edition.

January 18, 2012, 07:42 PM	#7
dchristi Junior Member Join Date: January 18, 2012 Posts: 9	Can i make the powder work for our .270?

January 18, 2012, 07:52 PM	#8
hk33ka1 Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2010 Posts: 275	I just looked through 5 manuals at home , Nosler, Hornady, Speer, Lyman 49th and Lyman Cast 4th and found no data with H-4198 for jacketed .270 Winchester bullets of 130gr or any weight. I don't have my Lee book right now. I would suggest you return the powder if it is sealed and you're friendly with the store, and if it's opened or they won't take it you will find a use in another calibre in the future or be able to trade it with a friend. I would NOT load with the powder you have now. Again I don't load 270 Win, but might I suggest IMR 4895 as a versatile powder that is listed for this round and works well in many others.

January 18, 2012, 08:06 PM	#9
dchristi Junior Member Join Date: January 18, 2012 Posts: 9	Ya ok. I guess ill cut my losses and buy a different powder. Hopefully i can find someone who wants it.

January 18, 2012, 08:07 PM	#10
dchristi Junior Member Join Date: January 18, 2012 Posts: 9	Thanks everybody for the help!

January 19, 2012, 05:37 PM	#13
SSA Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Posts: 641	I have no source that lists loads for H4198 in the 270, so I was not going to repeat what others have said. Then I saw that somebody mentioned a load. H4198 is a lot like IMR4198. Not exactly the same, but similar. The 1975 DuPont Handloader's Guide lists a load for the 270, 130 gr bullet, and IMR4198. 36 grains is the maximum load. 54,000 CUP. Some lighter weight of H4198 (30 to 33 gr) is probably safe to use in the 270, but that doesn't mean I'd recommend it, especially to a new reloader.

January 19, 2012, 06:39 PM	#14
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,896	QuickLoad listings for H4198, 52,000psi, Speer bullets, 24" barrel, OALs that result in at least 0.200" shank depth and/or Speer recommended: 100gr Speer SP #1453, H4198/43.0gr/OAL=3.20" Vel~3,190fps 130gr Speer GRSLAM #1465, H4198/39.5gr/OAL=3.24" Vel~2,800fps (Note that Quickload recommends IMR4198 be loaded 1 grain lower for similar pressures. Note also that these loads are well under 80% case capacity, and therefore likely to produce higher-than-normal velocity variations. ) LAWYERSPEAK: These are theoretical max loads (for starters). Start lower Last edited by mehavey; January 19, 2012 at 09:30 PM.

January 20, 2012, 10:12 AM	#17
howlnmad Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2009 Location: Harriman Tn Posts: 424	^ That's why I hate it when people post load data on the web and I refuse to do it. Someone makes a wrong key stroke and someone ends up seriously hurt or worse.

January 20, 2012, 03:56 PM	#18
William T. Watts Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2010 Location: Central Arkansas Posts: 1,074	That's why until potential loaders are thoroughly familiar with the terminology we use and have read from cover to cover at least two loading sources (I.E the ABC'S of reloading, Hornady, Nosler, Speer, or Sierra manual they should wait on purchasing supplies and equipment. The clerk that sold the powder should should have a kink jerked in him, it was a case of selling what he had! I read everything I could get my hands on for months before I touched anything or purchased a single item.. You absolutely must have an idea of what's going to happen when you pull the trigger knowing your face is only few inches away.. William

January 20, 2012, 07:14 PM	#20
dchristi Junior Member Join Date: January 18, 2012 Posts: 9	Ok nobody has to worry about me blowing my face off. I am definitely not going to waste my time trying to load with 4198. I went out and purchased some IMR 4831.

January 21, 2012, 01:23 PM	#22
howlnmad Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2009 Location: Harriman Tn Posts: 424	The 4831 is a good powder for the 270 with 130 grain bullets.