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Old December 16, 2004, 01:06 PM   #1
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I have a drilling double barrel 16 gauge over 9.3 x 72, hammers, underlever very nice, not like new--

marked Krupp Stahl on each barrel (not damascus) and Hirschberg on left barrel, A Haelbit on the other barrel

I am taking it to the gun show for a friend and dont wish to give it away- any ideas-- can't find a drilling website etc I figured with the wealth of intelligence on the Firing Line someone would have this information packed away!!!

has folding leaf (1) sight, etc, this is a nice well balanced old gun have a few Norma rounds.

any information thanks!!!1 I know so little about these guns--
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Old December 17, 2004, 08:05 AM   #2
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Try this website:

Krupp Stahl = Krupp Steel, Krupp has a long history of arms making, probably produced the steel the barrels were struck from. Hirschberg may be where the gun was built and A Haelbit might be the builder.

Many Drillings were built by "Guilds". Independent master craftsmen who specialized in a specific gun making art IE barrel making, stockmaking, fitting actions etc. "Guild Guns" were often put together by a series of craftsmen for a "Builder" who then sold the guns to gun dealers or importers.
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Old December 17, 2004, 04:07 PM   #3
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I'd give you a couple hundred bucks for it

Seriously, though, I've always been fascinated by these guns, most i've seen were works art. I don't know very much about them, other than the ones I've seen for sale went for BIG bucks, in decent condition(which is why I don't own one). I'd find someone truly knowledgable and have it appraised, just to be sure of its value. Or, of course, someone here can give you a good idea of its value.
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Old December 26, 2004, 09:58 PM   #4
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Drilling web page

You said you are looking for a drilling website. You might try going to the drilling hotline ( They are a retailer but they have a lot of information and several good links. I would send them an email and see if they can help with some information.

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Old January 4, 2005, 03:28 PM   #5
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There are two towns named Hirschberg in Germany (the name literally means "deer mountain"), so your gun could have been made in either. I can find nothing on the maker, A. Haelbit.

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Old February 28, 2005, 08:34 AM   #6
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Dear Shooter:
If I was you I sure wouldn't trade that off. (9.3MM is .366 )and the 74R is a gun which was used in Africa for the "big-five."
I'd seek professional advice from a drilling dealer, and I would not trade it.
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Old February 28, 2005, 09:20 AM   #7
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Uh, Harry, he said it was a 9.3x72 which is an entirely different, older, and much less powerful cartridge. About like .38-55 ballistics and OK for deer at iron sight ranges but certainly not a safari gun.
The shot barrels are probably chambered 65mm (2 9/16") and may run high pressures with modern 2 3/4" shells.
Cute but not good for much. I don't follow prices closely but they seem to go begging in the mid-teens at gun shows around here.
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