Defensive round, when JHP is illegal - Page 3

Kreyzhorse · November 18, 2017, 08:54 PM

I'd carry FMJ and deposit a lot of them if needed.

Kemikos · November 26, 2017, 11:01 AM

If I lived in a place that required me to carry with an empty chamber, I'd be looking for a Makarov and an EFA-2 holster (since the OP's situation is the one it was designed for):
Russian Military EFA-2K Russian Original Self Load Holster by EFA https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KYVG5C6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_sVTgAbF801G8E

The pistol is held in the holster with an empty chamber; when you draw, you push the grip down through the holster, while the slide is held in place, chambering a round.

It's not ideal, but it's definitely better than drawing and then racking the slide (and it's a one-hand operation). The downside is that it's only available for the Makarov as far as I know (which isn't the worst, I suppose; they're great, reliable guns). There was an outfit making them for Glocks, but their website appears to be defunct now...

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...matic-holster/

Regarding the ammunition, I'll throw in another recommendation for rounds made with the non-expanding fluted bullets (Polycase ARX or Lehigh Extreme Defender) if you can find them where you are.

The flutes do slow the bullet almost as quickly as a fully-expanded hollow-point. There's some debate as to whether they're as effective at damaging tissue as an HP round, but if overpenetration vs. FMJ rounds is your primary concern, that shouldn't matter much.

From a penetration standpoint, the ARX are probably better; the bullet is so light that it takes much less energy transfer to slow it down, and the big flutes seem like they'd transfer a lot of energy fast.

On the other hand, to my eye, the Lehigh bullet looks more like a traditional solid slug, so it might be easier to defend in a legal situation.

Hope you find something that works for you!

samsmix · November 30, 2017, 01:20 PM

If I had the option of rolling my own, I believe I'd want a 75gr pure lead wadcutter, moving as fast as a .38 Special could make it go.

November 18, 2017, 08:54 PM	#51
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November 30, 2017, 01:20 PM	#53
samsmix Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2006 Location: Montana (Montucky?) Posts: 1,273	If I had the option of rolling my own, I believe I'd want a 75gr pure lead wadcutter, moving as fast as a .38 Special could make it go. __________________ You'll probably never NEED a gun. I hope you never do. But IF you do, you will need it worse than anything you've ever needed in your life. IF we're not supposed to eat animals, howcome God made 'em outta meat?

November 26, 2017, 11:01 AM	#52
Kemikos Member Join Date: March 23, 2017 Posts: 55	If I lived in a place that required me to carry with an empty chamber, I'd be looking for a Makarov and an EFA-2 holster (since the OP's situation is the one it was designed for): Russian Military EFA-2K Russian Original Self Load Holster by EFA https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KYVG5C6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_sVTgAbF801G8E The pistol is held in the holster with an empty chamber; when you draw, you push the grip down through the holster, while the slide is held in place, chambering a round. It's not ideal, but it's definitely better than drawing and then racking the slide (and it's a one-hand operation). The downside is that it's only available for the Makarov as far as I know (which isn't the worst, I suppose; they're great, reliable guns). There was an outfit making them for Glocks, but their website appears to be defunct now... http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...matic-holster/ Regarding the ammunition, I'll throw in another recommendation for rounds made with the non-expanding fluted bullets (Polycase ARX or Lehigh Extreme Defender) if you can find them where you are. The flutes do slow the bullet almost as quickly as a fully-expanded hollow-point. There's some debate as to whether they're as effective at damaging tissue as an HP round, but if overpenetration vs. FMJ rounds is your primary concern, that shouldn't matter much. From a penetration standpoint, the ARX are probably better; the bullet is so light that it takes much less energy transfer to slow it down, and the big flutes seem like they'd transfer a lot of energy fast. On the other hand, to my eye, the Lehigh bullet looks more like a traditional solid slug, so it might be easier to defend in a legal situation. Hope you find something that works for you!