Tikka 6.5 cm - Page 2

tobnpr · February 9, 2018, 07:46 PM

No "popcorn" emoticon....
Heeere we go again

DPI7800 · February 9, 2018, 08:05 PM

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Tikkas are all long action so why bother with creedmore?

6,5x55 is perfect as is

Not exactly, unless you like burning more powder than nesasary as a hand loader, per Hornady to push a 143ELD-X @ 2650 takes 48.6 of Vit N-165. My creed will do 2700 with 41.5 of H4350.

Wendyj · February 10, 2018, 01:59 PM

Got to the range today and it was pouring rain. After zeroing in I got this group at 100 yards with Winchester Match factory ammo. They use a Sierra matchking bullet. Box says 2710 at the muzzle but a 10 shot group on chronograph came out to an average of 50 fps slower than this. Got some dies on the way home and am going to load up some 130 accubonds and 143 ELDX since that is what I have right now. Using H4350 for a start. Not my best day at the range but I was satisfied with the factory ammunition to know reloads should do better.

std7mag · February 10, 2018, 08:30 PM

Yeaaahhhhhh....
Much like my wife, i intend to stay on your good side...

DPI,
Your comparing oranges to horse apples.
How can you compare H4350 with VV165?
Of course your gonna get different powder charge weights, and different velocities.
It's like me comparing your gun to my 7mm-08AI with 47.5gr. of RL17 clocking 2916.
Doesn't freak'n matter...

Wendyj · February 10, 2018, 09:06 PM

Std7mag. What bullet and weight are you shooting out of your 7-08AI???

std7mag · February 11, 2018, 09:05 AM

For varmints i use Hornady 120gr HP( now discontinued).
For casual range plinking Hornady 139gr. SST.
For my longer distance range use and hunting 140gr. Berger VLD Hunting.
Also recommend the 140gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip for deer.
If i ever get drawn for the elk lottery here i'm plannin on using the 150gr. Nosler ABLR
Also playing with the 150gr. ELDX with good results.

Using Hodgdon H414 for lighter bullets.
Alliant Power Pro 2000 for the 139gr. and up.

RL 17 giving me almost 100fps more, but Extreme Spread and Standard Deviation not to my liking.
PP2000 giving 7fps ES, 2fps SD.

Took my doe this year at 413 yards with 140gr. Berger and PP2000. 2, 836fps.
She made it 20 yards. Heart in 2 pieces, both lungs destroyed.

std7mag · February 11, 2018, 10:17 AM

As a side note.
I shot one of my best ever groups doing load development with the 160gr. Sierra HPBT Gameking over RL19.
This going up 0.3gr of powder per round.
9 rounds 1". I pulled round #6 and got total for 10 rounds 1.35" at 150 meters.

I have the target hanging on my reloading bench.

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I don't use those bullets in the 7mm-08 due to so much of the bullet sitting so far in the casing.

Wendyj · February 11, 2018, 11:02 AM

I would really like to use the 163 eldx in my 7-08. It is my one hole grouper out of my 7 mag. It does seat deep though without jamming into the lands. Your AI probably reaches speeds I can’t get close to.

Don Fischer · February 11, 2018, 11:15 AM

My 6.5x55 is a mod 70 and with a 140gr bullet will exceed 2700fps. Hornady data is for old military actions!

Wendyj · February 11, 2018, 12:21 PM

Most of my loads come from Sierra and Nosler. I will use Hornady manual for stating loads on their ew bullets. Hornady 10th edition doesn’t give enough powder options and there ballistic are usually off from my real ones.

Dranrab · February 11, 2018, 03:17 PM

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DPI,
Your comparing oranges to horse apples.
How can you compare H4350 with VV165?
Of course your gonna get different powder charge weights, and different velocities.
It's like me comparing your gun to my 7mm-08AI with 47.5gr. of RL17 clocking 2916.
Doesn't freak'n matter...

Blasphemy. How dare you suggest the Creedmoor doesn't turn H4350 into fairy dust.

tobnpr · February 11, 2018, 04:33 PM

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Most of my loads come from Sierra and Nosler. I will use Hornady manual for stating loads on their ew bullets. Hornady 10th edition doesn’t give enough powder options and there ballistic are usually off from my real ones.

Fwiw, back when the powder manufacturers starting putting their load data online, is when my reloading manual went the route of most "paper books", referenced for anything BUT load data.

Always up to date, and (generally) not as overly conservative as that from bullet manufs and others.

JMO,YMMV

Wendyj · February 11, 2018, 06:48 PM

All mine are books with exception of Hodgdon which I find a few copies at lgs every 6 months or so.

std7mag · February 11, 2018, 07:28 PM

Dranrab,
I never said you couldn't use H4350 in the 6.5 Manbun.
Just that his comparison was invalid.

Wendy,
Try the 150gr ELDX. I'm having good results with them out of my 284 Win.

Also you would be surprised at how little different they are. You would think that the AI would be able to use about 1.5gr more powder, but sadly not the case.
If anything the AI is more sensitive( for lack of a better term) to small changes in pressure than standard 7mm-08.

stagpanther · February 11, 2018, 08:05 PM

Quote:

No "popcorn" emoticon....
Heeere we go again

3....2....1...and they're off!

std7mag · February 12, 2018, 06:41 AM

opcorn:

:couch:

:threadjack:

Nope...

Tallest · February 12, 2018, 08:54 AM

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Dranrab,
I never said you couldn't use H4350 in the 6.5 Manbun.
Just that his comparison was invalid.

It's only Monday, but that is the best thing I will read this week! I really hope that takes off... I know I'm going to start using it... you think Hornady will go for a sub-section of their marketing strategy for it...?

Wendyj · February 12, 2018, 06:13 PM

I'm a little puzzled. Why is it called manbun???? Is it due to no recoil or am I missing something??

stagpanther · February 12, 2018, 07:02 PM

As in "the latest style" and "pretty boy."

std7mag · February 13, 2018, 05:22 AM

Willing to jump on the bandwagon for "the latest, greatest".

The 260 Rem will shoot just fine in an AR10 rifle. But if you want to shoot the long match weight bullets, they have to be seated real deep to fit in the AR magazines.
So someone shortened the case and gave it a little less taper. With the shorter case the bullet can sit out further and still fit the mag.

The Creed offers no advantage over the 260Rem when put in a bolt gun.
But the manufacturers jumped on it.
All advertising hype.

stagpanther · February 13, 2018, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Willing to jump on the bandwagon for "the latest, greatest".

The 260 Rem will shoot just fine in an AR10 rifle. But if you want to shoot the long match weight bullets, they have to be seated real deep to fit in the AR magazines.
So someone shortened the case and gave it a little less taper. With the shorter case the bullet can sit out further and still fit the mag.

The Creed offers no advantage over the 260Rem when put in a bolt gun.
But the manufacturers jumped on it.
All advertising hype.

The really interesting part is that Hornady--which had a direct hand in developing the creed--rolled out it's 6.5 PRC, which will likely kill the creed off IMO in long run if it proves to be just as easy to shoot. Slightly blown out case to make a "mini-mag"--it's back to the future! I have both the creed and 260 rem in AR10 platforms--I can't detect any practical difference between the two in my average shooting applications. Like you say--the creed gives you a scosh more room for the extra long pointy things.

tobnpr · February 13, 2018, 08:36 AM

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All advertising hype.

If only Remington had named the .260, the "6.5 VALKYRIE", 20 years ago when they introduced it....

Tallest · February 13, 2018, 09:34 AM

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Willing to jump on the bandwagon for "the latest, greatest".

I think this has a lot to do with it for me. I don't think the 6.5cm isn't a good round. I think it's a great one and has a lot to offer.

But what I've heard so many dudes saying (and hence the 6.5 Manbun thumbs-up), is that it is perfect for everything, displaces the need for every other time-tested cartridge. "It's just better, man!" ...as they roll their eyes at my ignorance. These are guys who before have only ever shot .22s, shotguns and 5.56/.223 ARs.

In all fairness, I am talking about 5-10 real life encounters, certainly not the entire population. But those experiences, tied in with the hype and the magazine salesmen.. ahem! writers... it's a lot to take in stride.

stagpanther · February 13, 2018, 09:48 AM

One day I will finally develop my own wildcat--and I'm already dreaming up names, something like the "264 super-erection."

Rimfire5 · February 13, 2018, 11:52 AM

Wendyj,

I just noticed in your post on Feb 10th that you were surprised that the velocity of your factory ammo was 50 fps slower than listed on the box.

There are variations on powder lots that might account for some of that.

Also temperature differences between the 59 degree temps used for most powder specs and the temperature of the ammo when you shot it can easily account for 50 fps.

The other day, at 24 degrees, my ammo lost 60 fps in measured velocity over what was marked.

Aberdeen proving grounds in testing .308 ammo found that the muzzle velocity drops about 1.7 fps per degree F.

Also, if your chronograph was 10 feet from the muzzle, the velocity would be about 6 fps slower at the chrono than at the muzzle. If it were further away, the loss would be increase slightly.

February 9, 2018, 07:46 PM	#26
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February 10, 2018, 09:06 PM	#30
Wendyj Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2015 Location: North Georgia Posts: 1,372	Std7mag. What bullet and weight are you shooting out of your 7-08AI??? __________________ God is NOT dead!!!!

February 11, 2018, 11:02 AM	#33
Wendyj Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2015 Location: North Georgia Posts: 1,372	I would really like to use the 163 eldx in my 7-08. It is my one hole grouper out of my 7 mag. It does seat deep though without jamming into the lands. Your AI probably reaches speeds I can’t get close to. __________________ God is NOT dead!!!!

February 11, 2018, 12:21 PM	#35
Wendyj Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2015 Location: North Georgia Posts: 1,372	Most of my loads come from Sierra and Nosler. I will use Hornady manual for stating loads on their ew bullets. Hornady 10th edition doesn’t give enough powder options and there ballistic are usually off from my real ones. __________________ God is NOT dead!!!!

February 11, 2018, 06:48 PM	#38
Wendyj Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2015 Location: North Georgia Posts: 1,372	All mine are books with exception of Hodgdon which I find a few copies at lgs every 6 months or so. __________________ God is NOT dead!!!!

February 10, 2018, 08:30 PM	#29
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Yeaaahhhhhh.... Much like my wife, i intend to stay on your good side... DPI, Your comparing oranges to horse apples. How can you compare H4350 with VV165? Of course your gonna get different powder charge weights, and different velocities. It's like me comparing your gun to my 7mm-08AI with 47.5gr. of RL17 clocking 2916. Doesn't freak'n matter...

February 11, 2018, 09:05 AM	#31
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	For varmints i use Hornady 120gr HP( now discontinued). For casual range plinking Hornady 139gr. SST. For my longer distance range use and hunting 140gr. Berger VLD Hunting. Also recommend the 140gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip for deer. If i ever get drawn for the elk lottery here i'm plannin on using the 150gr. Nosler ABLR Also playing with the 150gr. ELDX with good results. Using Hodgdon H414 for lighter bullets. Alliant Power Pro 2000 for the 139gr. and up. RL 17 giving me almost 100fps more, but Extreme Spread and Standard Deviation not to my liking. PP2000 giving 7fps ES, 2fps SD. Took my doe this year at 413 yards with 140gr. Berger and PP2000. 2, 836fps. She made it 20 yards. Heart in 2 pieces, both lungs destroyed.

February 11, 2018, 10:17 AM	#32
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	As a side note. I shot one of my best ever groups doing load development with the 160gr. Sierra HPBT Gameking over RL19. This going up 0.3gr of powder per round. 9 rounds 1". I pulled round #6 and got total for 10 rounds 1.35" at 150 meters. I have the target hanging on my reloading bench. : I don't use those bullets in the 7mm-08 due to so much of the bullet sitting so far in the casing.

February 11, 2018, 11:15 AM	#34
Don Fischer Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2017 Posts: 1,868	My 6.5x55 is a mod 70 and with a 140gr bullet will exceed 2700fps. Hornady data is for old military actions!

February 11, 2018, 07:28 PM	#39
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Dranrab, I never said you couldn't use H4350 in the 6.5 Manbun. Just that his comparison was invalid. Wendy, Try the 150gr ELDX. I'm having good results with them out of my 284 Win. Also you would be surprised at how little different they are. You would think that the AI would be able to use about 1.5gr more powder, but sadly not the case. If anything the AI is more sensitive( for lack of a better term) to small changes in pressure than standard 7mm-08. Last edited by std7mag; February 11, 2018 at 07:40 PM.

February 12, 2018, 06:41 AM	#41
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	opcorn: :couch: :threadjack: Nope...

February 12, 2018, 06:13 PM	#43
Wendyj Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2015 Location: North Georgia Posts: 1,372	I'm a little puzzled. Why is it called manbun???? Is it due to no recoil or am I missing something?? __________________ God is NOT dead!!!!

February 12, 2018, 07:02 PM	#44
stagpanther Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2014 Posts: 11,784	As in "the latest style" and "pretty boy." __________________ "Everyone speaks gun."--Robert O'Neill *I am NOT an expert--I do not have any formal experience or certification in firearms use or testing; use any information I post at your own risk!*

February 13, 2018, 05:22 AM	#45
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Willing to jump on the bandwagon for "the latest, greatest". The 260 Rem will shoot just fine in an AR10 rifle. But if you want to shoot the long match weight bullets, they have to be seated real deep to fit in the AR magazines. So someone shortened the case and gave it a little less taper. With the shorter case the bullet can sit out further and still fit the mag. The Creed offers no advantage over the 260Rem when put in a bolt gun. But the manufacturers jumped on it. All advertising hype.

February 13, 2018, 09:48 AM	#49
stagpanther Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2014 Posts: 11,784	One day I will finally develop my own wildcat--and I'm already dreaming up names, something like the "264 super-erection." __________________ "Everyone speaks gun."--Robert O'Neill *I am NOT an expert--I do not have any formal experience or certification in firearms use or testing; use any information I post at your own risk!*

February 13, 2018, 11:52 AM	#50
Rimfire5 Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2009 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 923	Wendyj, I just noticed in your post on Feb 10th that you were surprised that the velocity of your factory ammo was 50 fps slower than listed on the box. There are variations on powder lots that might account for some of that. Also temperature differences between the 59 degree temps used for most powder specs and the temperature of the ammo when you shot it can easily account for 50 fps. The other day, at 24 degrees, my ammo lost 60 fps in measured velocity over what was marked. Aberdeen proving grounds in testing .308 ammo found that the muzzle velocity drops about 1.7 fps per degree F. Also, if your chronograph was 10 feet from the muzzle, the velocity would be about 6 fps slower at the chrono than at the muzzle. If it were further away, the loss would be increase slightly.