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Old August 13, 2021, 01:42 PM   #51
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Being on a list is being on a list, and you need to read carefully what the list actually is, and you also need understand a bit about both the list and the materials in order to properly evaluate the potential hazards and risks.

Sodium Chloride (NaCl) would be on the hazardous materials list, but isn't, because it's exempt from that list, due to it being a food item (Table salt)

Take a look at the heading of your carcinogen list. Most are lists of "Known or suspected" carcinogens. Keep that "suspected" part in mind.

Here's another one, Silica dust is on the carcinogen lists. SAND, and if I recall correctly silica is the most common element in the earth's crust.

But, here's the kicker, silica dust is ONLY a listed carcinogen if your company BUYS it. The stuff that blows in from the desert isn't counted or listed as such.

My opinion, motor oil is for motors, gun oil is for guns.
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Old August 13, 2021, 02:56 PM   #52
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That logo looks familiar but it came in plastic bottles just like quarts here in the US, and was available at gas stations. The 'bike had an oil tank and mixed automatically.

This was in the 80's, in Africa.
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Old August 13, 2021, 04:03 PM   #53
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Debate the authors words for sure BUT the test and results of 48 products to rust and lubricity is well done.
Apparently you were impressed by the presentation.

I wasn't. I'm hard to please.
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Old August 13, 2021, 05:12 PM   #54
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I'm not reading it again but something about WD-40 and 3 in 1 oil letting it shave bits of metal off. That's ridiculous. I admit WD-40 isn't a lube but my dad used 3 in 1 for most of his life. I grew up using it and still do. I never saw any extra wear from using it. When my dad discovered WD-40 it was all he used for probably the last 20 years or so of his life. None of his guns showed any excess wear so yeah it's ludicrous to make a statement like that.
Well, my dad used it.....
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Old August 13, 2021, 05:34 PM   #55
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"Oh yeah, castor oil! I used it in my 2-stroke motorcycle because it's what race bikes used, so it gave me extra power! Smelled awesome!"

Did you mean this?
No... I used "Castrol" brand "Caster oil" in my 250 cc four-cycle racing motorcycle back in the early sixties. At that time, there were many motorcycle racers in Brittian and in the U.S. who used it for racing. The confusion comes about in that Castrol also made a mineral based racing oil about the same time. There was no mistaking Caster oil... it was colorless, so thick it would not pour out of can on a cold day, had a characteristic smell that made some race-goers think that such motorcycles were burring racing "fuel" (against the rules). I admit to using Caster oil and burning a 50-50 mix of Sunoco 260 and aviation gasoline.
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Old August 13, 2021, 05:46 PM   #56
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Well, my dad used it.....
Point being his guns didn't have any excessive wear like the article said would happen.
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Old August 13, 2021, 06:45 PM   #57
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This is an excellent article review of 46 products, using controls as well, see where your choice is.

https://dayattherange.com/?page_id=3667
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Old August 13, 2021, 10:34 PM   #58
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Point being his guns didn't have any excessive wear like the article said would happen.
BUT we don't know how much wear your dad subjected his guns to. Did they sit in the case all year and only come out to be sighted in for deer season or used for duck season? How many high round count training classes did you dad take? How often did he hit the range? A gun won't show ANY wear if it lives in the sock drawer
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Old August 14, 2021, 12:42 AM   #59
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Honestly, I don't hear much about guns wearing out from someone using an oil that was less than ideal. For the most part, the lubrication requirements of guns are not that stringent.

Also, guns will tell you if they're getting gummed up or getting too dry if you pay attention.

Most any oil is more than adequate if lubrication is all that's expected of it and if the owner is willing to keep on top of things.
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Old August 14, 2021, 07:14 AM   #60
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I'm surprised no one's mentioned Ed's Red during this discussion, since we're talking about home brew concoctions with ingredients not originally intended for gun use. I save my Mobil1 for my truck and use gun specific cleaners and lubes in my guns.
Me? I have a pile of over priced "gun" products on my work bench.
Hoppes #9, Rem oil, SlideGlide, Slick 2000 EWG, Lucas gun oil, Breakfree CLP and Gunscrubber and Strike Industries AntiVenom...and Ballistol in there too somewhere.
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Old August 14, 2021, 07:20 AM   #61
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You’re supposed to lube a gun?? (sarc). I have a rag on my bench with so many different lubricants in it I really don’t know what I’m using, I do know that it is slickey. I have quite a few that is up in the ginger years and has 1,000’s upon 1,000 of rounds through them with no lube related or corrosion problems. Seems a waste of time to worry about what works best. Thing to do would be to use what you’re comfortable with and not worry about it.
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Old August 14, 2021, 08:41 AM   #62
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I used Mobil One Synthetic 0w-20 for many years. Until.... I was at a competition in late October and the temps took a sudden dive. It went from 50 degrees to 20 in about 2 hours. My pistol started choking. 0w motor oil should not have been affected at all, but it did. A guy next to me let me try his oil, Pro Shot CLP, and my pistol started working like it should. I now use it exclusively.
And there is the reason I quit messing around with motor oils.

Now I use either "old" formula FP10 or Weapon Shield with preference to Weapon Shield because it smells of cinnamon.
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I went through them all (including Mobil-1) ...... and Breakfree CLP is still my comfort retreat.
But aside from Lubriplate as light grease, Hornady 1-Shot now does it all.
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Old August 15, 2021, 08:27 AM   #64
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Mobil 1 Synthetic. Better than CLP or the pricer Slip 2000 EWL.
Just use it sparingly. No need to bath your pistol in it.
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The secret synthetic ingredients Mobil puts in the sauce.
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Old August 15, 2021, 10:47 AM   #65
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If you're not using something that's marked "GUN ERL!" and costs you about $9,200 a gallon, then you just don't care about your firearms!
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Old August 15, 2021, 12:52 PM   #66
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Nitro burning funny cars and dragsters also use Castor (Bean) oil. If a 2 stroke is making more power? That would be the fuel, not the oil in it.
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Nitro burning funny cars and dragsters also use Castor (Bean) oil. If a 2 stroke is making more power? That would be the fuel, not the oil in it.
Although that is not a gun issue, Two stroke engines are more powerful than four-cycle in that every second stroke is a power stroke where as it is only one in four for a four-cycle. I rode both a four-cycle and a two-stroke 250cc's back in the day. The difference was like night and day. Had to get the RPM's way up (250 BSA) before the four-cycle had any power, whereas the two-stroke (250 Yamaha), would climb up out of a ditch at low RPMs.
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Old August 15, 2021, 02:35 PM   #68
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oil

I've heard this on and off over the years, mostly from country folk who improvised with a variety of products and materials regards other tasks ands items as well, sort of a lifestyle thing, brought on by availability and economics too. A sort of "use what ya got" attitude.

I'd think that any lube is likely better than none, except in certain environments, cold and sand for one. Of late, I'm using Ballistol, largely because of its varied applications, leather for one.
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A little bottle of castor oil from the drugstore would oil a lot of guns, $6.79 for 4 oz at Walgreens. If you really like the results, it is $40 a gallon from several sources.
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Oh yeah, castor oil! I used it in my 2-stroke motorcycle because it's what race bikes used, so it gave me extra power! Smelled awesome!

My grandfather used it for his arthritis. You can use it for a lot.
It was used to lube WWI fighter plane engines, and WWI fighter pilots had constant diarrhea.
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Grant Cunningham is a well known and respected Subject Matter Expert. What is your level of qualification to claim he doesn't know what he's talking about?
For the life of me, I cannot find among the prayer and self defense books where Cunningham is a lubrication or materials sciences expert. He may be an expert in some other area, but not this one....which is the only one relevant to the discussion. In fact, he explicitly states that he is NOT an expert on lubrication. From the link you provided, Moonglum,

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Finally, note that the foregoing is a layman’s understanding of lubrication technology. I don’t pretend to be an expert, just a well-informed amateur...
So, not a "Subject Matter Expert" in this case.
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Old August 16, 2021, 12:19 AM   #72
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It was used to lube WWI fighter plane engines, and WWI fighter pilots had constant diarrhea.
A diet of brandy and milk did something to relieve that symptom of castor oil blowback from the rotary engine.

The other drawback was that castor oil gums rapidly at high temperature. Not a serious problem for aero engines and race car engines that did not go long between teardowns. Does a gun get hot enough to matter?
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If you decide to play with castor bean oil be sure and really clean the hell out of your gun first. Castor bean oil gums up with age and even worse, doesn't play well with mineral based oils. I've seen it turn to a plastic like solid when mixed with mineral based oils...

Even in racing 2 stroke bikes, it was the practice to use it all up or let it sit in a can over the weekend so that when the bean oil spoiled, it could be removed with a paint filter so the gas could be salvaged. I've never seen it used in an oil injection system and I don't know how much prep work it would take to make one safe for castor. On the upside, caster oil will give you the lowest coefficient of friction of any oil you can buy. It's a PITA to use but in the racing world, every little performance boost no matter how small it considered worth it...

BTW, model airplane fuel contains castor oil for a lubricant. It doesn't spoil in the alcohol based fuels and that what model airplane engines have that cool smell...

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Old August 16, 2021, 05:11 AM   #74
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I'm the one who mentioned castor bean oil. I was jokingly poking at motorcycle racers as another form of lube nut.

I did not intend to suggest castor oil as gun lube.

But I suppose if some folks can try CLR as bore cleaner.....???

Trust me on this,its a bad idea to eat Tide Pods.
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For the life of me, I cannot find among the prayer and self defense books where Cunningham is a lubrication or materials sciences expert. He may be an expert in some other area, but not this one....which is the only one relevant to the discussion. In fact, he explicitly states that he is NOT an expert on lubrication. From the link you provided, Moonglum,



So, not a "Subject Matter Expert" in this case.
Well said. I was going to say something as well, as these kind of comments have become so regular, I just ignored it. But glad you stepped up and said something.
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