The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > Hogan's Alley > Handguns: The Revolver Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old September 17, 2021, 05:00 PM   #1
Kurbsky
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 22, 2009
Posts: 466
When will Colt start making Pythons in Royal Blue?

Does anyone know when Colt will start making Pythons in royal blue again? I got my 2020 4.25 inch Python and my next goal would be a 6" one in royal blue (if the price is reasonable).
Kurbsky is offline  
Old September 17, 2021, 05:35 PM   #2
UncleEd
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 13, 2013
Location: N. Georgia
Posts: 1,125
If at all, probably not a royal blue
until Colt really feels the market
has softened and slowed enough
on the stainless models.

And "reasonable" in pricing is
relative. Producing a blued gun
that mimics the old bluing won't
be all that cheap.
UncleEd is offline  
Old September 17, 2021, 05:56 PM   #3
Kurbsky
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 22, 2009
Posts: 466
You already can order the new Python online at MSRP. I guess by softened you mean something like $200 below MSRP. If they will me using machines for blueing, the costs should be reasonable. I am hoping for the year end 2022.
Kurbsky is offline  
Old September 17, 2021, 06:08 PM   #4
dgludwig
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 12, 2005
Location: North central Ohio
Posts: 7,411
I'm afraid the answer is never. There just aren't enough people willing to pay the (much) higher tariff that American labor adds to the cost of manufacture. And, in some cases, the artisans and craftsmen needed to do skilled and specialized work just aren't around anymore.

I have read recently, though, that the "Royal Blue" finish was accomplished more by much polishing than by any secret processing recipe or arcane formula. Maybe there's still hope.
__________________
ONLY AN ARMED PEOPLE CAN BE TRULY FREE ; ONLY AN UNARMED PEOPLE CAN EVER BE ENSLAVED
...Aristotle
NRA Benefactor Life Member
dgludwig is offline  
Old September 17, 2021, 06:16 PM   #5
Kurbsky
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 22, 2009
Posts: 466
Hmm... Somehow they still make a 1911 in Royal Blue.
Kurbsky is offline  
Old September 17, 2021, 06:22 PM   #6
Dfariswheel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 4, 2001
Posts: 7,356
There are rumors...............

In all likelihood we will see a new Python with some sort of shiny dark finish, if nothing else as made for a big distributor like Talo.

As for polishing, the latest Colt small framed Cobra and King Cobra, the new Python, and the new Anaconda have very nicely polished finishes, and that's done in an automated polishing media device.

Also look for 2 1/2 and 3 inch models either as Colt factory or distributor models.
At least one person has already ordered a 3 inch Python from the Colt Custom Shop.
Dfariswheel is offline  
Old September 17, 2021, 07:17 PM   #7
dgludwig
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 12, 2005
Location: North central Ohio
Posts: 7,411
Quote:
Hmm... Somehow they still make a 1911 in Royal Blue.
If they do, it's not listed in Colt's 2020 catalog. The Gold Cup, the Gold Cup Trophy, the Custom Competition CQB pistols have stainless steel frame and slides. The National Match model has what Colt describes as having a "carbon steel blued frame and slide."
__________________
ONLY AN ARMED PEOPLE CAN BE TRULY FREE ; ONLY AN UNARMED PEOPLE CAN EVER BE ENSLAVED
...Aristotle
NRA Benefactor Life Member
dgludwig is offline  
Old September 17, 2021, 08:34 PM   #8
Kurbsky
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 22, 2009
Posts: 466
I did not check the catalog but on colt.com site they list a COLT CLASSIC ROYAL BLUE model for $1,499. If their shiny blue on Python will be the same as Talo shine on Ruger, it won't work for the Cold brand value. "Noblesse oblige", as they say in France.
Kurbsky is offline  
Old September 18, 2021, 01:23 AM   #9
jackmoser65
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 11, 2014
Posts: 698
Quote:
Producing a blued gun
that mimics the old bluing won't
be all that cheap.
They're already doing the polish work. Good bluing isn't as unobtainable as people think. Hell they could probably get Turnbull to do them in carbona blue for $300.
jackmoser65 is offline  
Old September 18, 2021, 04:08 PM   #10
dgludwig
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 12, 2005
Location: North central Ohio
Posts: 7,411
For those who might be interested in the origins and process of the "Royal Blue" finish on Colt handguns, Mr. Adalbert (Al) Gunther, superintendent of Colt firearms back in the day and the man credited with the creation of the Python revolver, had this to say:

"...(The Royal Blue finish) was the first really super-deluxe finish Colt ever put on a production gun. Contrary to popular belief, we didn't blue the Python with any different formula than we used on the other guns. Polishing was the secret. We used old fashioned wheel polish, beginning with about an 80-grit emery, and progressing to 120 grit, 320 grit, and finally 400-grit emery. 400-grit emery is the consistency of flour. This would be applied with a leather top wheel- Colt always made their own four-inch-wide, old fashioned leather polishing wheels-and that 400-grit was so fine that when you were using it with some grease you couldn't see any sparks at all from the polishing wheel. To the best of my knowledge, that's the method Colt still uses to put the Royal Blue on the Python, the Gold Cup and some of the special Single-Actions. Royal Blue was the name they gave to the finish we created for the Python, but even today, around the Colt plant, they still refer to that ultra-polish job as the 'Python finish'..."
__________________
ONLY AN ARMED PEOPLE CAN BE TRULY FREE ; ONLY AN UNARMED PEOPLE CAN EVER BE ENSLAVED
...Aristotle
NRA Benefactor Life Member
dgludwig is offline  
Old September 18, 2021, 06:13 PM   #11
Dfariswheel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 4, 2001
Posts: 7,356
In the old days Colt made their own polishing wheels from wood, covered with walrus hide............



In more modern times they used metal wheels...........



The key to top quality gun polishing is large diameter, thick, hard wheels, not the typical soft muslin or felt wheels that are usually about 8 inches in diameter and thin.
The bigger the wheel, the easier it is to keep a surface flat and even.

Back in the good old days, Colt was running a polishing academy.
A new hire went to school to learn the machinery and technique, then went to the line and polished lower cost models while an instructor literally stood behind them looking over their shoulder and coached them.
Only after they got experience where they moved to the higher end models.
Only the very best after years of experience were allowed to polish Pythons.
Dfariswheel is offline  
Old September 18, 2021, 07:49 PM   #12
Jim Watson
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 25, 2001
Location: Alabama
Posts: 17,223
Since the New Python is stainless steel, you are asking whether they will make guns out of chrome moly that CAN be blued. I doubt it, the machining is done differently.

Quote:
In all likelihood we will see a new Python with some sort of shiny dark finish, if nothing else as made for a big distributor like Talo.
S&W made a few guns in blackened stainless. They looked pretty good but they did not look like conventional blue and a bit of wear did not give them "character" as it can blue, they just looked dirty.

Treatments are better now and they could bright polish some stainless and have it DLC treated for a good dark finish that would last. If they thought they would sell well enough and high priced enough to be worthwhile to the company. Maybe CZ will give them a push.
Jim Watson is offline  
Old September 19, 2021, 07:48 AM   #13
4V50 Gary
Staff
 
Join Date: November 2, 1998
Location: Colorado
Posts: 21,208
Thanks for the images of those polishing wheels.
__________________
Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. Molon Labe!
4V50 Gary is offline  
Old September 19, 2021, 09:55 PM   #14
Kurbsky
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 22, 2009
Posts: 466
Actually, I would never consider the blackened stainless - only the real steel. I like Sig P210 pistol too but I won't have it because it's blackened stainless - basically cheating.
Kurbsky is offline  
Old September 20, 2021, 10:23 AM   #15
Pumpkin
Member
 
Join Date: October 18, 2020
Posts: 70
I think the environmental and physical safety risks might have a part to do with the lack of blued new guns. Not easy to find a gun shop that will do a traditional bluing job these days.
Pumpkin is offline  
Old September 20, 2021, 11:34 AM   #16
jackmoser65
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 11, 2014
Posts: 698
This is a non-issue for major manufacturers. Colt is still producing the blued and color cased Single Action Army and lots of blued 1911's.
jackmoser65 is offline  
Old September 20, 2021, 02:13 PM   #17
Aguila Blanca
Staff
 
Join Date: September 25, 2008
Location: CONUS
Posts: 16,496
The real issue is that you can't blue stainless steel. Colt uses forged frames and barrels, and probably forged cylinders. So to offer the new revolvers in royal blue they would have to buy carbon steel forgings to build into firearms. Economies of scale means they wouldn't be buying one or two, they would need enough to make each firearm somewhat reasonably priced. I don't know any way for Colt to assess the market for blued Pythons with any degree of certainty.
__________________
NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor
NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO
1911 Certified Armorer
Jeepaholic
Aguila Blanca is offline  
Old September 20, 2021, 03:45 PM   #18
Drm50
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 10, 2014
Posts: 1,046
When they put Royal Blue in a spray can....
Drm50 is offline  
Old September 20, 2021, 11:40 PM   #19
5whiskey
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 23, 2005
Location: US
Posts: 3,528
The golden years of blued handgun, as most of us realize, are well over now. Funny, the Italians will still blue repros here and there. They even look ok. I say on par with my early 70s Ruger security six. But it’s nothing like what the best of colt or S&W did.

Henry still uses a blue finish on their rifles I believe. Trying to think of another manufacturer that uses blue finish but I’m drawing a blank. Polishing a firearm enough to get a really good looking blue is a done by hand process. There is a need to inspect progress, feel the surface (feeling to prevent overheating and to feel progress), and a need to get into nooks and crannies that machines just can’t replicate.
__________________
Support the NRA-ILA Auction, ends 03/09/2018

https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=593946
5whiskey is offline  
Old September 21, 2021, 09:59 AM   #20
Pumpkin
Member
 
Join Date: October 18, 2020
Posts: 70
Are Ruger No 1's still blued? I don't think the 77/Hawkeye is.
Pumpkin is offline  
Old September 21, 2021, 11:22 AM   #21
jackmoser65
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 11, 2014
Posts: 698
Ruger blues a bunch of their guns. They even put good polish on some of them too! I think a lot of people are just not paying attention.
jackmoser65 is offline  
Old October 8, 2021, 01:43 PM   #22
1fsb
Junior Member
 
Join Date: October 4, 2021
Location: Eastern Nebraska
Posts: 1
I picked up one of the new Royal Blue 1911s and the polish is very nice. If Colt can do that on a Python, they’ll sell truckloads.
1fsb is offline  
Old October 9, 2021, 09:07 AM   #23
The Happy kaboomer
Member
 
Join Date: October 14, 2009
Posts: 84
Why don't cha call Colt and ask? NO AMOUNT of speculation on here matters at all.
The Happy kaboomer is offline  
Old October 9, 2021, 01:34 PM   #24
reddog81
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 16, 2014
Location: Iowa
Posts: 1,440
Colt won’t tell you anything until the press release comes out. It’s common for leaks online to proceed the official announcement.

Colt could be releasing something next Tuesday and a phone call on Monday wouldn’t get you anywhere.
reddog81 is offline  
Old October 9, 2021, 03:38 PM   #25
Super Sneaky Steve
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 9, 2011
Posts: 1,119
Colt can't do anything right. Maybe CZ will turn them around.
Super Sneaky Steve is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2020 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Page generated in 0.10976 seconds with 10 queries