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Old February 14, 2018, 02:58 PM   #26
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All brakes increase the muzzle blast and noise for the shooter and everybody near him. Makes no difference if the rifle is a magnum or not either.
Nearly got blown off the bench one time by some kid and his .338 WM with no brake. Muzzle blast was enormous from 6 feet or more.
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Old February 14, 2018, 03:07 PM   #27
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Who stands perpendicular to the end of the muzzle as side pressure should not be an issue if you keep safety rules in mind?
You mean aside for the poor schmuck at the next bench at a full range? News flash, "to the sides" does not always mean "perpendicular" 8 and 4 o'clock are still "to the sides", and that is where the gasses are vented, generally.
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Old February 14, 2018, 03:17 PM   #28
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The ones I have are 9 oclock, 3 oclock or are side just holes at most then top holes to contain muzzle jump. Not sure what ones you are talking about but I imagine you've never really used any of them.
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Old February 14, 2018, 03:49 PM   #29
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Basically, there are 4 kinds of muzzle devices...

Brakes - they work by diverting gas to work against the recoil impulse....unfortunately, to work well, they divert gas at the shooter and up.

Suppressors- they divert gas away from the bore, but catch it, thus suppressing some noise.

Linear comps - catch expanding gas and direct it away from the shooter. Still loud, but louder for those downrange.

Flash hiders - goal is to break up the expanding fireball of gas coming out of the barrel by allowing gas to seep to the side and up, the fireball is smaller overall.


So, the only "brakes" that have less blast do so at a penalty of less performance...
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Old February 14, 2018, 04:50 PM   #30
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The ones I have are 9 oclock, 3 oclock or are side just holes at most then top holes to contain muzzle jump. Not sure what ones you are talking about but I imagine you've never really used any of them.
Follow this link:
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Type "muzzle brake" in the search field.
Click "search" or hit 'enter'.
Click the "Images" tab.

Erase some of the ignorance through exposure to more designs that you, apparently, have never been made aware of before.

Sniping other members while clearly being ignorant of the subject matter is extremely rude and makes one look a fool.
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Old February 14, 2018, 05:03 PM   #31
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ollow this link:
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Type "muzzle brake" in the search field.
Click "search" or hit 'enter'.
Click the "Images" tab.

Erase some of the ignorance through exposure to more designs that you, apparently, have never been made aware of before.

Sniping other members while clearly being ignorant of the subject matter is extremely rude and makes one look a fool.
I'm aware there are more designs than mine (literally limitless it seems) but it's obvious that person doesn't have a clue about gun brakes other than them just being loud. I'd hazard to guess I have more experience with them than most. I've also installed dozens for friends in my area. Most people look at a flash suppressor and call it a muzzle brake. Must be louder then right. A muzzle break doesn't create more pressure it just redirects it. If you don't like the direct discussion and want to call it rude I can't stop you. Again, guns are loud.
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Old February 14, 2018, 05:22 PM   #32
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All brakes increase the muzzle blast and noise for the shooter and everybody near him.
Friendly reminder here. The Vais brake does not make the shot perceptibly louder than the same gun without. Confirmed with independent tests. http://forums.accuratereloading.com/...43/m/803107706
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Old February 14, 2018, 05:25 PM   #33
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I had a Weatherby 30-378 that was the loudest thing I ever heard and if you propped across a pickup hood the blast would make a Chicago road map out of the windshield.
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Old February 14, 2018, 06:06 PM   #34
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but it's obvious that person doesn't have a clue about gun brakes other than them just being loud.
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Old February 14, 2018, 09:06 PM   #35
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Hawg...please tell me you didn't...!!!???
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Old February 14, 2018, 09:38 PM   #36
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Speaking of loud muzzle brakes...

Can anyone ID this muzzle brake. Got it at a gun show a few months ago....

Very good at reducing recoil. Very heavy. VERY LOUD!

Thanks.
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Old February 14, 2018, 10:05 PM   #37
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Generally its louder off to the side than it is behind the gun.
From some of the posts I detect some sense of fun or hunger for attention because folks on the line react to the blast.

Come on! I'm responsible for my own ear protection,yes. I'm tolerant of brakes.I'm not suggesting brakes be banned,etc.

But there is such a thing as courtesy. If you know your gun is loud,do the best you can at being considerate.

Its sort of like having a flatulence attack. Don't suffer.Do what you have to do.

But walking off by yourself might be good.

Don't crank one off in a movie theatre and think you are cute because everyone is looking at you.
Oh I always try to go as far away from everyone else on the range for both parties benefit. I shoot more accurately and they don't have to suffer my howitzer

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Old February 15, 2018, 09:27 AM   #38
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My son has the ridiculously large muzzle brake on his Ruger American Ranch in 7.62X39. This gun really didn't need a brake, but it has a threaded barrel and it is his rifle. I shot it once without hearing protection... My ears were ringing for two days... NEVER AGAIN!!!
Besides the increased auditory damage which muzzle brakes cause, most designs impart a concussive, sideways muzzle blast that you can actually see and feel on the firing line. This concussive blast, in turn, impairs to one degree or another the ability of fellow shooters on either side to accomplish any accuracy with their rifle.

Simply put, MBs are a range nuisance. ... And they're particularly a point of group aggravation at precision-rifle training events where you're actually trying to concentrate and absorb key elements of the precision skill-set, which concentration is being thoroughly disrupted shot-to-shot by that guy (or those guys) on the line with the most laterally concussive MB(s).

Last class I was attended, this training-impairment issue was remedied somewhat by herding the MB specialists and their shooting gear to the far end of the line, which also happened to be puddled and muddy from the previous night's rain. Serves 'em right. Everyone else's learning curve discernibly improved thereafter.

Regardless of caliber, guys who install MBs on ARs - or precision bolt guns for that matter - seem to think they offer some 'tactical' benefit (they don't), or make their weapon easier to shoot (all shooting 'crutches' = easier, not better), or perhaps help them identify - in a psychological way - with that 'Official Cool Guy' trainer-type whose YouTube vid about his really cool rifle they just watched the night before. ... Puleeese

Nope, when you sit down and objectively weigh the 'pros and cons' of MBs, ... - it's like, sorry, dudes, but you MB guys will be shooting waaay down over there, at the wet and muddy end of the firing line.

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Old February 15, 2018, 09:42 AM   #39
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@ emcon5

Nice reply, Sounds like someone still pretends to know more than he does. They are all 4/8 oclock vented brakes right? Please enlighten my how much you know about them and how a gun brake causes "increased" pressure? I'm sorry if gun brakes offend you somehow but they are not going away. Don't like it move or come back another day. People that use them have as much right to shooting time as anyone else.
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Old February 15, 2018, 10:47 AM   #40
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Rude shooter with muzzle brake

Shooter with .308 selective fire AR with muzzle break positioned himself next to me at our local range 25 yard rimfire and pistol section. Separation between shooters is less than at the rifle side of the range. Automatic fire is permitted only on the pistol side.

The shooter was outfitted with "tactical" "shmactical" clothing and requisite purposeful demeanor. Two young women watched him.

First blast blew away a few spent .22 cases and some of my peaceful attitude. Asked him to move but he refused and moved his selector from semi to auto. That blew away my hat and the remainder of my peaceful attitude. Chided him for being rude and inconsiderate. Noted this to the range officer and he apologized but could not restrict the obnoxious shooter since he was firing automatic.

Moral: muzzle brakes are fine and serve a good purpose but must be used with consideration and respect for neighboring shooters. In other words, not so loud!
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Old February 15, 2018, 11:11 AM   #41
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Loud muzzle brake can clear the lanes next to you, so does a real bad case of body odor. In either cases, purposely plant yourself right in the middle of your peers just to watch them flee; you are an a-hole, a real foul smelling one.

I have met a few of those.

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Old February 15, 2018, 11:15 AM   #42
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Loud muzzle brake can clear the lanes next to you, so does a real bad case of body odor. In either cases, purposely plant yourself right in the middle of your peers just to watch them flee; you are an a-hole, a real foul smelling one.

I have met a few of those.

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Could not agree more. Similarly to the way tuzo's tactitool would not be considerate at the pistol range.

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Old February 15, 2018, 11:18 AM   #43
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I have to agree with tangolima on this one. I have no problem if someone comes up to me and asks nicely but I try to use an end bench to begin with. Unfortunately sometimes you don't get that opportunity to pick and choose shooting benches. If you come up to me and are an ahole right from the start then good luck with that cuz I ain't budging. Every guy that uses a muzzle brake is not a jerk.
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Old February 15, 2018, 11:50 AM   #44
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Yeah, it can be a divisive subject, for sure. I have a friend that uses them on some guns. When in use, I have to get directly behind him or take a walk. We can't both shoot together when a braked weapon is involved. I'm polite about it and as tolerant about it as I can be, as it is an important friendship. But here, I guess I can say that I hate muzzle brakes. On the other hand, I sure wish that suppressors would get deregulated.

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Old February 15, 2018, 11:55 AM   #45
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Hawg...please tell me you didn't...!!!???
No but a friend of mine did it to his. I had no idea it would do it so I didn't try to stop him.
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Old February 16, 2018, 10:10 AM   #46
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Every guy that uses a muzzle brake is not a jerk.
Agreed, more like passing wind in a crowded elevator.

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So, the only "brakes" that have less blast do so at a penalty of less performance...
I dont know what this means. Is performance judged as less recoil or less accuracy or less power? My impression from discussion with quite a few shooters is these are all selected based on the cool factor. Or the barrel must be threaded for a reason. I had to put something on there.

PS. I would never use the j word.


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Old February 16, 2018, 10:18 AM   #47
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I don't know of anyone that puts on a muzzle brake for aesthetics? I know some just like to put on fancy muzzle flash suppressors but that's about it.
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Old February 16, 2018, 10:47 AM   #48
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I think they're necessary on larger magnums throwing heavy pills, but I too had one that came on a high end AR, and it was essentially just a loudener that made the gun unpleasant to shoot. I took it off, re-crowned to an 11deg, and had them make a knurled cap so I kept the threads and can run a can. Never happier.

In matches where recoil mitigation is essential (where you've got to keep a sight picture through your scope) with timed courses of fire it's going to be a brake or a can, and a brake is a lot cheaper and less hassle.
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