Do Dinosaurs still roam the earth?

[Bongo Boy]

Nicely put. I suppose one either loves these things or just wonders "Why?". To me there's little question. It's not a work of art, but a work of excellent engineering and, in collaboration with the machinist, the outcome a masterpiece of form and function.

[reticle]

Just to follow up for Bongoboy. There was an all hard chromed LAR Grizzly pistol on gunbroker that just sold for 1850 and change. That seems about right This one was in 357 mag with the shorter 5.4" barrel.

[Bongo Boy]

I completely missed that one...not sure how. I wouldn't have been interested in owning it in that caliber, but I like to keep track of what comes and goes with a few selected guns and this is one of them.

A rare gunbroker auction indeed that includes more than two crappy photos!

[t4terrific]

Originally Posted by Model12Win

I agree jmr40.



The 10mm really is the equal of the .357 magnum autoloader. Same power, but with even larger and heavier bullets... all in a package more portable.

Far more power than a .357.

[reticle]

lol That's why I posted it, Bongo.

[44 AMP]

Took the Grizzly to the range yesterday, not to do anything serious, but it show it off to a friend of a friend. New friend has an AMT Auto Mag IV .45 Win mag. Sadly, his .45WinMag is now a single shot.

He got a box of ammo (50rnd) from the Old Western Scrounger. This stuff is a very broad flat point JSP 250gr bullet, put up in Starline brass.

When he went to shoot it, the first round did a nosedive, smacked the magazine, which split. He is currently looking for a replacement magazine, so far, without finding one.

I handled the Auto Mag IV, it was interesting, and noticeably lighter than my Grizzly.

He gave me the (full) box of ammo, said if I had any use for it, I could have it. He pointed out the round that "broke" his gun. You could see in the lead where it had hung up on something, and it was just barely shorter than the other rounds. (slight setback).

It, and the rest of a magazine fed and fired in my Grizzly. That stuff is stout!
He shot a mag full through my Grizzly, and agreed! He also said the recoil was more than his Auto Mag IV. Personally, I think it was the ammo. Any way, I now have a full box of 50 (minus 12 fired) of this stuff, think I will reserve it for future testing.

Further updates when I have them.

[Bongo Boy]

Well, I found this one today at gb and I'd give my left *** for it in a heartbeat, but alas, no one really wants my left (or right) ***. So sadly, I'm afraid it's going to go to someone who couldn't possibly want it as badly as I do...

[44 AMP]

That looks just a TAD muzzle heavy! LOL

[Bongo Boy]

I can't help but daydream about going to the local IDPA match (outlaw division of course) with it. Score would stink, but the plate rack would be spectacular.

Not sure I could actually lift my arm high enough to get it out of a regulation holster, though, even with a standard barrel bushing.

[Big Shrek]

OP, the Automag II is still in production...the 3, 4, and 5 are still not...

High Standard of Houston currently makes the Automag II,
and holds the keys to the rest...no idea why they haven't started them up as well??

I'd buy an Automag III in a heartbeat

[gyvel]

Dinosaurs. Thought you was talking about me for a minute.

Ditto.

I often refer to myself as a dinosaur since I tend to stick to very old, trued-and-true designs for my shooting pleasure and cc.

[44 AMP]

I got a chance to shoot an Automag IV .45WM a few weeks back. Nice gun, very ..slender feeling. Recoil wasn't bad (but then, my standards might not be yours, ).

Both the owner, and I, preferred my LAR GRIZZLY.

and no, I wasn't interested in a trade!

[Stevie-Ray]

High Standard of Houston currently makes the Automag II,
and holds the keys to the rest...no idea why they haven't started them up as well??

Ooh, ooh, any ideas or reports on quality? That was one I always wanted, and still do, especially if the quality is better than AMT's.

[44 AMP]

Due to the interest in semi auto magnums, I'm bringing this one back, a lot of the information in it is still valid, and might be of interest.

[darkgael]

Thanks for restarting this dinosaur thread. I am wondering if the .460 Rowland fits the profile.
Pete

[44 AMP]

I am wondering if the .460 Rowland fits the profile.

I went back through the thread, and based on what criteria I put up back then, the .460 Rowland isn't a "good fit". Close in some ways but not quite there. I was looking for guns that deliver "full" magnum performance for their bore size, and allow those rounds or guns with "Magnum" in the name.

So, I accept .22WMR (magnum in the round's name) and I also accept Automag III (.30 Carbine, but "magnum" in the gun name).

I don't mind if you want to talk about the .460 Rowland, and compare it to the magnum semis that are the main topic of the thread. As I see it, the Rowland works in properly converted 1911 guns, which is a plus for many things and many people, but falls just a little short of delivering what I consider "full magnum" velocities.

Still, worth while for discussion, and happy to have activity in their old thread.

[Hdonly]

Just pulled my AMT .22mag AutoMag 2 for a day of shooting last week. Shoots good as long as you keep the chamber very clean. It gets picky when it gets dirty.

[silvermane_1]

I wish MRI would make a 480 Ruger chambered Desert Eagle.

[Old 454]

Would the Gyro Jet be considered one of them Dinosaurs?

[44 AMP]

I suppose in the sense that it is extinct, yes, but more like an evolutionary dead end, during the time of the dinosaurs, than one of the dinosaurs themselves.

It was a very cool idea, and might be something worth bringing back, if we ever get into armed combat in space/zero G. Just wasn't good enough here on earth.

I understand accuracy wasn't on a par with cartridge firearms, and due to it being a rocket, was actually more powerful further away than at close range (as the velocity went up).

and, of course, the only way "realoading" applied was putting more rounds in the gun...so, an idea ahead of its time, and ahead of the tech to make it viable.

In that regard, its the same as the dinosaurs I'm talking about, guns ahead of their time, which have since largely gone extinct.

Another long, long extinct one was the MARS pistol, of which not a lot of info is available. Large semi auto, one version reported to fire a .45 bullet at 1200fps. It might be considered the first of the dinosaurs in that respect, though it lived (in small numbers) and died out a couple of "epochs" before the dinosaurs were born.

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[rc]

Ever seen an alligator lizzard? How about a toad? Snakes? Lots of animals that were on Earth with the dinasaurs.

[44caliberkid]

I have a Desert Eagle 44 Magnum, love it. Just over a year ago I walked into a shop that had a 357 Coonan, and it came home with me. Coonan was closed when I bought it, and they sold all the assets recently, so there may be no more. Another shop had two magazines and sold them to me for retail, 49.95 each. Now they are $250 - $300 on GB.
People keep saying the 357 isn't as powerful or same power as the 10mm, but like the original 10, current 357 factory loading are nothing like the 1930's version. I can get 158 grain bullets over 1400 fps and 125's to 1700. And full house 357's in a Coonan don't recoil anywhere near as bad as in a revolver.
I love my 1911's, but the DE and the Coonan are my favorite pistols in my collection.

[44 AMP]

And full house 357's in a Coonan don't recoil anywhere near as bad as in a revolver.

This, to me, is one of the big advantages to magnum semi autos. It's not that the semi auto action "softens" the recoil as much as it is the different shape of the grip compared to revolvers, that changes the feel of the recoil, drastically.

Especially when the recoil gets up there, to .44 Mag levels, or above. I don't have a problem with full house .357 in my revolvers. N frame S&W and Ruger New Model Blackhawk. Nor in my Contender, but face it, in a Contender, recoil is essentially irrelevant, so long as the gun doesn't hit you or fly out of your hands..)

The Coonan is, literally the "lightweight" of magnum autos. And it has about the "smallest" grip. Radically different feel than a revolver.

If you can handle the size (and weight) of the Desert Eagle grip, a DE in .357 mag is a fun thing. Yes, 125gr jhps to over 1700fps!!!! from a 6" barrel. 9 rounds in the magazine. And, while the muzzle blast is on the fierce side felt recoil is light, and I mean feels like less than a 9mm. It's something you have to experience to really understand. HUGE blast but the gun barely seems to move. For me, that alone is "worth the price of admission".

For others, not so much...

Recoil of the DE .44 is much, much more pleasant than either my DA or SA revolvers in that caliber. TO me, it feels like a snappy .45acp in a 1911a1.

Lots of people will expound endlessly about how these guns aren't "practical", and I'll just smile, and nod, and do my thing with my magnums. Life shouldn't be 100% about what is practical, and mine, isn't.

[silvermane_1]

Originally Posted by 44 AMP

I got a chance to shoot an Automag IV .45WM a few weeks back. Nice gun, very ..slender feeling. Recoil wasn't bad (but then, my standards might not be yours, ).

Both the owner, and I, preferred my LAR GRIZZLY.

and no, I wasn't interested in a trade!

I owed one, but traded it for my 480 Ruger SRH though, and yeah they are about as thin as a 1911, the AUTOMAG IV that is.

[silvermane_1]

Originally Posted by 44 AMP

I suppose in the sense that it is extinct, yes, but more like an evolutionary dead end, during the time of the dinosaurs, than one of the dinosaurs themselves.

It was a very cool idea, and might be something worth bringing back, if we ever get into armed combat in space/zero G. Just wasn't good enough here on earth.

I understand accuracy wasn't on a par with cartridge firearms, and due to it being a rocket, was actually more powerful further away than at close range (as the velocity went up).

and, of course, the only way "realoading" applied was putting more rounds in the gun...so, an idea ahead of its time, and ahead of the tech to make it viable.

In that regard, its the same as the dinosaurs I'm talking about, guns ahead of their time, which have since largely gone extinct.

Another long, long extinct one was the MARS pistol, of which not a lot of info is available. Large semi auto, one version reported to fire a .45 bullet at 1200fps. It might be considered the first of the dinosaurs in that respect, though it lived (in small numbers) and died out a couple of "epochs" before the dinosaurs were born.

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The 8.5mm MARS boasted a velocity of 1700 FPS.